Vouchers: Popular and Working

TheDanold

TheDanold

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They cost less and they get better results brining people more competition. The leftwing Liberals who just want to do the same ol thing of pumping in yet more gigantic amounts of taxes into failing schools are on notice:

New Orleans is a huge success story, decline in unions and real accountability being brought in:

vouchers are popular: a YouGov poll for The Economist (see chart) finds 53% of people favouring them, with only 32% opposed.
http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10104894
 
i don't really approve of unions, when the teachers union leaders are making more than the teachers and making more than they do, exponentially i don't really see how they are working for them, they are basically stealing from them.
 
TheDanold said:
They cost less and they get better results brining people more competition. The leftwing Liberals who just want to do the same ol thing of pumping in yet more gigantic amounts of taxes into failing schools are on notice:

New Orleans is a huge success story, decline in unions and real accountability being brought in:

vouchers are popular: a YouGov poll for The Economist (see chart) finds 53% of people favouring them, with only 32% opposed.
http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10104894
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I guess there's one public subsidy Dano is in favor of. And if we're going by public opinion polls, universal health coverage would have been a reality long ago. Come to think of it, there are very few social spending programs that are not favored by a majority of the population. Is majority support the new criteria for sound public policy?

By the way, how's things working out in D.C.?
 
Robdawg said:
i don't really approve of unions, when the teachers union leaders are making more than the teachers and making more than they do, exponentially i don't really see how they are working for them, they are basically stealing from them.
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Here!! Here!! Three cheers for robdawg.
 
Typical union-bashing tripe. Perhaps someone has evidence that non-unionized teachers in public schools produce better results than unionized teachers. If so, please provide it to me because I haven't seen it.

I'm not saying that the unions are blameless for poor educational outcomes, but the scapegoating is ridiculous.
 
Robdawg said:
i don't really approve of unions, when the teachers union leaders are making more than the teachers and making more than they do, exponentially i don't really see how they are working for them, they are basically stealing from them.
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I don't agree with that at all.

Unions have played an intregral part in American society and the American worker.

I don't see how underpaid and undercompensated teachers would make better teachers. That doesn't make sense.
 
Yeah I don't like my leaders in govt getting paid more than the average worker either!
The Govt is the ultimate union, with seniority, the best benefits there are, etc...
 
Dungheap said:
Typical union-bashing tripe. Perhaps someone has evidence that non-unionized teachers in public schools produce better results than unionized teachers. If so, please provide it to me because I haven't seen it.

I'm not saying that the unions are blameless for poor educational outcomes, but the scapegoating is ridiculous.
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Where are there any non-union public school teachers?
 
TheDanold said:
They cost less and they get better results brining people more competition. The leftwing Liberals who just want to do the same ol thing of pumping in yet more gigantic amounts of taxes into failing schools are on notice:

New Orleans is a huge success story, decline in unions and real accountability being brought in:

vouchers are popular: a YouGov poll for The Economist (see chart) finds 53% of people favouring them, with only 32% opposed.
http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10104894
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Cool. But you still have to get around a veto and a filibuster and you have to electe more than 66% of the house in support of them in any state to get them passed. And after that they're costantly being attacked by the teacher's union, who's main job is to ensure that teachers do as little as possible while getting paid as much as possible.
 
Damocles said:
Where are there any non-union public school teachers?
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There are many of us Damo. I have been teaching for 20 years and have never joined a union. I simply do not agree with their stances and some of their goals. Out of the 40 teachers in the public school where I work there are no union members. None. Our state test scores are above average and our ACT scores are very competitive on the national level. We still paddle kids and still have a Christmas program and call it that. :) I just had to throw that in there.

I have to admit, as rob will point out, the higher scores nationally come from the Northeast but what we are doing isn't bad and our kids are competitive, especially when you consider the socio-economic status of our kids. Most of the families that produce the kids I teach make less than $25,000 per year....most of them a lot less than that.
 
I know one or two of them, however they are not the norm in our area. It is very difficult to remain outside the Union here, they made it so.
 
Back in the '80s the union tried to make joining compulsory but that power/money grab attempt was thwarted. We still have several who join the union but most of us, especially in the rural areas, avoid it. They have made it so that any state, and thus any national award cannot be attained by a non-union teacher but most of us say, "Big deal" to that.
 
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