"We the People,"

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"We the People,"

The first three words of the United States constitution. Government comes from, we the people.

These first three words do not seem revolutionary or outrageous to us from today’s perspective, but consider where most of the people who wrote this came from.

They came from a government which had thousands of years of history of claiming government came from God. The divine right of kings.

Even today it is controversial to say that our government is not based on God, but based on, we the people.

Do you agree with our founders?
 
Jarod said:
"We the People,"

The first three words of the United States constitution. Government comes from, we the people.

These first three words do not seem revolutionary or outrageous to us from today’s perspective, but consider where most of the people who wrote this came from.

They came from a government which had thousands of years of history of claiming government came from God. The divine right of kings.

Even today it is controversial to say that our government is not based on God, but based on, we the people.

Do you agree with our founders?
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Before that they wrote, We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed their Creator with certain unalienable rights...

Do you agree with the founders?
 
Yakuda said:
Before that they wrote, We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed their Creator with certain unalienable rights...

Do you agree with the founders?
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Yes, and one is the right for the people to create Government, not pretend it's delivered upon us by God.

There is a reason they chose the words, "their creator" instead of God.
 
Jarod said:
Yes, and one is the right for the people to create Government, not pretend it's delivered upon us by God.

There is a reason they chose the words, "their creator" instead of God.
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Doesn't matter you retarded fuck stick. Governments don't grant people their rights like you assholes think. Government is instituted by the people to protect rights given to them by their Creator, capital C dumbass
 
Yakuda said:
Before that they wrote, We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed their Creator with certain unalienable rights...

Do you agree with the founders?
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The Declaration of Independence is not a document that establishes a government. It is a litany of reasons for why the colonies are justified in breaking political bonds to Britain.

"Creator" doesn't have to mean the God of Abraham. Jefferson and many founders were deists and tried to avoid a direct Christian reference. Jefferson's original draft did not even contain the word 'creator', he was asked to add it.

But I agree with the sentiment that humans are endowed with universal natural rights that aren't just based on opinion, edict, or whim. Natural rights point to some kind of transcendent truth that supercedes human opinion. So I think what Jefferson wrote makes eminent sense.
 
Cypress said:
The Declaration of Independence is not a document that establishes a government. It is a litany of reasons for why the colonies are justified in breaking political bonds to Britain.

"Creator" doesn't mean the God of Abraham. Jefferson and many founders were deists and tried to avoid a direct Christian reference. Jefferson's original draft did not even contain the word 'creator', he was asked to add it.

But I agree with the sentiment that humans are endowed with universal natural rights that aren't just based on opinion, edict, or whim. Natural rights point to some kind of transcendent truth that supercedes human opinion. So I think what Jefferson wrote makes eminent sense.
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No it's not but the D of I established why we would even have the audacity to question the rule of King George. Before we could create a government it was necessary to say why even could even dare to question the kings authority. It was because our family but don't come from kings just like they don't come from the fucking government
 
Yakuda said:
No it's not but the D of I established why we would even have the audacity to question the rule of King George. Before we could create a government it was necessary to say why even could even dare to question the kings authority. It was because our family but don't come from kings just like they don't come from the fucking government
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I think if somebody wants to think of man's "creator" as the god of Abraham that's fine.

But the grammatical construction also works for deists, pantheists, pagans, transcendentalists who don't necessarily subscribe to a conventionally Christian view of God.

That's what makes Jefferson's preamble to the Declaration so brilliant.
 
Cypress said:
I think if somebody wants to think of man's "creator" as the god of Abraham that's fine.

But the grammatical construction also works for deists, pantheists, pagans, transcendentalists who don't necessarily subscribe to a conventionally Christian view of God.

That's what makes Jefferson's preamble to the Declaration so brilliant.
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The larger point is just like kings, government doesn't give us out rights but sadly too fee people believe that anymore
 
Yakuda said:
Doesn't matter you retarded fuck stick. Governments don't grant people their rights like you assholes think. Government is instituted by the people to protect rights given to them by their Creator, capital C dumbass
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It’s true.
 
Yakuda said:
Before that they wrote, We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed their Creator with certain unalienable rights...

Do you agree with the founders?
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I agree with the Founders.

An ICE agent deprived Renee of her rights by murdering her. His boss, the Puppy Killer, labeled the 37-year-old mother of three a domestic terrorist. Do you agree with them?

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Yakuda said:
The larger point is just like kings, government doesn't give us out rights but sadly too fee people believe that anymore
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I believe in the self evident transcendent truths Jefferson wrote about. I don't think a right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness is subject to, or superseded by opinion, legislation, popular vote, or whim.
I think in the long run, a faith in the truth of objective natural rights has done more for the cause of human liberty and dignity than almost anything else.
 
Cypress said:
I believe in the self evident transcendent truths Jefferson wrote about. I don't think a right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness is subject to or superseded by opinion, legislation, popular vote, or whim.
I think in the long run, a faith in the truth of objective natural rights has done more for the cause of human liberty and dignity than almost anything else.
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Many on the left think just that that government decides what you get

That's why capitalism is the most moral and just system known to man
 
Yakuda said:
Many on the left think just that that government decides what you get

That's why capitalism is the most moral and just system known to man
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capitalism is an economic system, not a political or moral philosophy.

The kind of regulated capitalism we practice in the 21st century is the best way ever devised to create wealth and innovate consumer products.

But the kind of unrestrained capitalism system we had in the 19th and early 20th centuries created a type of wage slavery and permanent underclass.
 
Cypress said:
capitalism is an economic system, not a political or moral philosophy.

The kind of regulated capitalism we practice in the 21st century is the best way ever devised to create wealth and innovate consumer products.

But the kind of unrestrained capitalism system we had in the 19th and early 20th centuries created a type of wage slavery and permanent underclass.
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I think it's the underpinning of both.

Nothing completely unregulated is good. The question will always be who gets to decide what will be regulated.
 
Cypress said:
I believe in the self evident transcendent truths Jefferson wrote about. I don't think a right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness is subject to, or superseded by opinion, legislation, popular vote, or whim.
I think in the long run, a faith in the truth of objective natural rights has done more for the cause of human liberty and dignity than almost anything else.
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MAGAts are violent anti-Americans who will disagree with you.
 
Jarod said:
"We the People,"

The first three words of the United States constitution. Government comes from, we the people.

These first three words do not seem revolutionary or outrageous to us from today’s perspective, but consider where most of the people who wrote this came from.

They came from a government which had thousands of years of history of claiming government came from God. The divine right of kings.

Even today it is controversial to say that our government is not based on God, but based on, we the people.

Do you agree with our founders?
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Where did the founders of the Constitution say our rights come from?
 
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