What did Trump get in exchange for cease-fire?

Jarod said:
I don’t think the president is a chicken because he didn’t do what he threatened to do. In fact, I don’t think he’s a chicken at all. I think he makes threats that he knows he will never fulfill, and on the world stage people also know that. This two week agreement agreement is completely manufactured when he made the threat. He already knew he could get something, he lied to you and says he got everything. I don’t see anything new obtained from the Iraqi regime, do you?
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I like that you're trying, but please, I beg you to read your post and see if you can figure out why it's incoherent. For example, please explain, 'He already knew he could get something, he lied to you and says he got everything.' WTF does that mean exactly? What did he know he could get and what did he lie to me about getting?

Unless you meant to say something different, you clearly have no idea what was said about the ceasefire in the first place. Tell me the exact lie Trump told me, not what you think was said, but the actual text of what he said that was a lie?

Don't you agree you should know what the 'lie' was before just claiming it exists? So then tell me, if you're right, I'll agree with you. Let's start there.
 
Tobytone said:
I like that you're trying, but please, I beg you to read your post and see if you can figure out why it's incoherent. For example, please explain, 'He already knew he could get something, he lied to you and says he got everything.' WTF does that mean exactly? What did he know he could get and what did he lie to me about getting?

Unless you meant to say something different, you clearly have no idea what was said about the ceasefire in the first place. Tell me the exact lie Trump told me, not what you think was said, but the actual text of what he said that was a lie?

Don't you agree you should know what the 'lie' was before just claiming it exists? So then tell me, if you're right, I'll agree with you. Let's start there.
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Maybe not structured the best, but it is coherent, maybe it is your reading issues with complex sentences.
Ill dumb it down.

He demanded a lot of stuff he already knew he could get. He desperately needed an excuse to end the war. He made an angry vicious demand, then took what he already had and claimed victory. He is a terrible negotiator but he needed to make it look like a win.

He did not get a lot of what he demanded, for example, Hormuz remains closed today. Thus far, Iran obtained de facto ownership of Hormuz.
 
Jarod said:
Honestly, what did we gain from the agreement? What did Trump get from his Threat to unleash hell?

In fact, what did we get from the war?
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Higher gas prices, Trump looking like a weak idiot and wannabe war criminal, international condemnation, and a weaker national economy.
 
I think we will get rid of Hegseth. Trump accepts no responsibility for what happens. The disposable people (everybody else on the planet), will sufffer. The Gulf is not open today. Israel is attacking Lebanon. The Gulf is not open.
 
Jarod said:
Maybe not structured the best, but it is coherent, maybe it is your reading issues with complex sentences.
Ill dumb it down.

He demanded a lot of stuff he already knew he could get. He desperately needed an excuse to end the war. He made an angry vicious demand, then took what he already had and claimed victory. He is a terrible negotiator but he needed to make it look like a win.

He did not get a lot of what he demanded, for example, Hormuz remains closed today. Thus far, Iran obtained de facto ownership of Hormuz.
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No, it's certainly not me buddy and it's nothing to do with complexity. You didn't answer my coherent questions, instead you doubled down on your stupidity. I'll try one more time, but I'm not expecting a miracle.

Again, you say 'he demanded a lot of stuff' let's stop right there. I have zero confidence you have any idea what you mean by 'a lot of stuff.' You've never given me any reason to think you do. The last comment was 'he lied to you and says he got everything' now it's 'he demanded a lot of stuff.' You haven't told me how he lied yet and now you want me to accept that you have a clue what the fuck you're talking about. Can you see the problem? Again, it's not because you're writing 'complex' sentences, lol.
 
Nordberg said:
I think we will get rid of Hegseth. Trump accepts no responsibility for what happens. The disposable people (everybody else on the planet), will sufffer. The Gulf is not open today. Israel is attacking Lebanon. The Gulf is not open.
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Not anytime soon, that would look like admitting defeat.
 
Tobytone said:
No, it's certainly not me buddy and it's nothing to do with complexity. You didn't answer my coherent questions, instead you doubled down on your stupidity. I'll try one more time, but I'm not expecting a miracle.

Again, you say 'he demanded a lot of stuff' let's stop right there. I have zero confidence you have any idea what you mean by 'a lot of stuff.' You've never given me any reason to think you do. The last comment was 'he lied to you and says he got everything' now it's 'he demanded a lot of stuff.' You haven't told me how he lied yet and now you want me to accept that you have a clue what the fuck you're talking about. Can you see the problem? Again, it's not because you're writing 'complex' sentences, lol.
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Lots of stuff there, let's start with, what is it you think he got?
He got them to stop bombing, and they might open Hormuz for a huge fee. That is not anywhere what he demanded.

They got us to stop bombing, and they got Hormuz as de facto their new territory.
 
Jarod said:
Not anytime soon, that would look like admitting defeat.
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It'll come when Trump needs a scapegoat, especially for war crimes.

Is there any doubt that the reason Trump fired 20+ top military officers is because they refused to commit war crimes? Now that they are "retired", they are free to speak out about what was going on behind the scenes.
 
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