What does defunding the police mean? Pay attention Dukka.

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What does defunding the police mean? Pay attention Dukka.

"Defund the police means many things to many people," said Arjun Singh Sethi, adjunct professor of law at Georgetown Law School.

At its most basic, "defund the police" means reallocating money from policing to other agencies funded by local municipalities. Advocates are split on the question of how far it should go: whether to reduce funding and reform some aspects of policing, or completely abolish police forces as we know them.

The movement has grown out of anger at police violence disproportionately targeting Black Americans, and a long history of unequal treatment in the criminal justice system. Statistics show that Black people in the U.S. are imprisoned at five times the rate of Whites, and are three times more likely to be killed by police.

"The Black community is over-policed for minor infractions that would draw virtually no attention anywhere else," Gary Potter, a criminology professor at Eastern Kentucky University who has written about the history of policing in America, told CBS News last summer.


Many reform advocates argue police departments are overburdened, and that other agencies would be better equipped to deal with civil matters like mental health and homelessness.

"I think at the core of the defunding movement is the idea that we want to take money out of city and local budgets that has traditionally been devoted to paying for police services, and to redirect it [to] better housing for low-income people, better schools, better mental health treatments," Harvard Law professor John Goldberg told CBSN Originals.


President Joe Biden has opposed defunding but supports police reform measures including more oversight and training, barring use of chokeholds, and increased funds for community policing and other initiatives. Those provisions and more were included in the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act, which passed the House in early March.

"I'm always questioning how money is spent," said New York City Councilmember Alicka Ampry-Samiel. "Just to use an example, in Brooklyn North, we spent about a million dollars in overtime on the [police] gang unit. But yet we still had a rise in gang activity.

"So what would it look like if we took that million dollars and gave it to the community-based organizations that address violence?" Ampry-Samuel said more funds for alternatives to policing are needed, especially when it comes to responding to homelessness and mental health crises.


More here: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/defund-the-police-meaning/

Any questions, Dukka?
 
So what would it look like if we took that million dollars and gave it to the community-based organizations that address violence?
It would look like DoD contracting. There's no quantitative way to measure results, so friends/family/potential political allies would use it to extract tons of money from their local governments, because that's what every single contract with the government is designed to do.

Not that policing is any better, since that's primarily predicated on extracting extra tax money for the state and punishing dissenters.
 
What does defunding the police mean? Pay attention Dukka.

"Defund the police means many things to many people," said Arjun Singh Sethi, adjunct professor of law at Georgetown Law School.

At its most basic, "defund the police" means reallocating money from policing to other agencies funded by local municipalities. Advocates are split on the question of how far it should go: whether to reduce funding and reform some aspects of policing, or completely abolish police forces as we know them.

The movement has grown out of anger at police violence disproportionately targeting Black Americans, and a long history of unequal treatment in the criminal justice system. Statistics show that Black people in the U.S. are imprisoned at five times the rate of Whites, and are three times more likely to be killed by police.

"The Black community is over-policed for minor infractions that would draw virtually no attention anywhere else," Gary Potter, a criminology professor at Eastern Kentucky University who has written about the history of policing in America, told CBS News last summer.


Many reform advocates argue police departments are overburdened, and that other agencies would be better equipped to deal with civil matters like mental health and homelessness.

"I think at the core of the defunding movement is the idea that we want to take money out of city and local budgets that has traditionally been devoted to paying for police services, and to redirect it [to] better housing for low-income people, better schools, better mental health treatments," Harvard Law professor John Goldberg told CBSN Originals.


President Joe Biden has opposed defunding but supports police reform measures including more oversight and training, barring use of chokeholds, and increased funds for community policing and other initiatives. Those provisions and more were included in the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act, which passed the House in early March.

"I'm always questioning how money is spent," said New York City Councilmember Alicka Ampry-Samiel. "Just to use an example, in Brooklyn North, we spent about a million dollars in overtime on the [police] gang unit. But yet we still had a rise in gang activity.

"So what would it look like if we took that million dollars and gave it to the community-based organizations that address violence?" Ampry-Samuel said more funds for alternatives to policing are needed, especially when it comes to responding to homelessness and mental health crises.


More here: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/defund-the-police-meaning/

Any questions, Dukka?

they want people who swear no oath to the constitution in charge of security. like a retarded ass social worker, ill equipped for danger.


corporations will have private security.


regular people will suffer.


cartels and other organized crime organizations will have free reign.


go stupidity!
 
Well, there are now a number of cities that have defunded their police to one degree or another. What's the results of that to date?
 
In theory, defunding the police will effectively increase equality. In practice, defunding the police results in more crime. We've now combined theory and practice where crime is increasingly effecting more people equally...
 
Of you read the article there is certainly some logic. For example, having police officers dealing with homelessness isn't logical. You could use social services with a reduced number of officers and likely see better results.

I do not support defunding the police. I agree with the president. However, like what we did with terrorism, ensuring County and city agencies are communicating and working together will benefit everyone.

Simply having dispatch being ae to contact local social services agencies for certain types of issues, will benefit everyone; maybe the police officers most of all.

Bottom line, we need the right experts dealing with the right problems. Currently, police seem to be expected to be an expert on everything and often that results in over criminalization of behaviors.

Anyone with empathy can see that.
 
Of you read the article there is certainly some logic. For example, having police officers dealing with homelessness isn't logical. You could use social services with a reduced number of officers and likely see better results.

I do not support defunding the police. I agree with the president. However, like what we did with terrorism, ensuring County and city agencies are communicating and working together will benefit everyone.

Simply having dispatch being ae to contact local social services agencies for certain types of issues, will benefit everyone; maybe the police officers most of all.

Bottom line, we need the right experts dealing with the right problems. Currently, police seem to be expected to be an expert on everything and often that results in over criminalization of behaviors.

Anyone with empathy can see that.

you're an idiot.

homeless people are unpredictable and not known for listening.

officers can and often do have empathy. anyone dealing with that situation needs to be ready if things go the other way.

is it that you just want whoever arrives to be incapable of using force if necessary?

do they need feel that shoplifting is justice?

do they need to hate the constitution?
 
you're an idiot.

homeless people are unpredictable and not known for listening.

officers can and often do have empathy. anyone dealing with that situation needs to be ready if things go the other way.

is it that you just want whoever arrives to be incapable of using force if necessary?

do they need feel that shoplifting is justice?

do they need to hate the constitution?

So predictable. Pathetic name-calling and hyperbole.

I said an officer should be there. I never said they lack empathy. It depends on the situation. I trust professionals to be talented enough to navigate this.

I believe there is a better option. You appear to believe that the current system is the best we can do. So much for exceptionalism.
 
So predictable. Pathetic name-calling and hyperbole.

I said an officer should be there. I never said they lack empathy. It depends on the situation. I trust professionals to be talented enough to navigate this.

I believe there is a better option. You appear to believe that the current system is the best we can do. So much for exceptionalism.

so if you want an officer there why defund the police?

what is this better option you speak of? be specific.
 
so if you want an officer there why defund the police?

what is this better option you speak of? be specific.
I was specific. It is obvious that your idiot comment was a result of not reading my post. Typical.

I said I don't support defunding the police.

I am not a cop or social services worker but my thought is to increase the partnership between the two. Currently, at least in my state, police is typically a city agency and social services is County.

I imagine that creates some logistic issues. I think depending on the call, social services can work with the police. Often the community knows the people and families. Ensuring dispatch also is aware. Perhaps just making sure social services have access to police calls. Again, a partnership is key.

After 9/11, the country agreed part of the failure was agencies not working in partnership. My theory is the issue may be similar at the local level.

Again, I am not an expert. I do believe there is a better model than what is being done now. "Defend the police" was a moronic slogan that is now preventing a conversation on real solutions.

It is predictable, because name-calling is easier.

True?
 
I was specific. It is obvious that your idiot comment was a result of not reading my post. Typical.

I said I don't support defunding the police.

I am not a cop or social services worker but my thought is to increase the partnership between the two. Currently, at least in my state, police is typically a city agency and social services is County.

I imagine that creates some logistic issues. I think depending on the call, social services can work with the police. Often the community knows the people and families. Ensuring dispatch also is aware. Perhaps just making sure social services have access to police calls. Again, a partnership is key.

After 9/11, the country agreed part of the failure was agencies not working in partnership. My theory is the issue may be similar at the local level.

Again, I am not an expert. I do believe there is a better model than what is being done now. "Defend the police" was a moronic slogan that is now preventing a conversation on real solutions.

It is predictable, because name-calling is easier.

True?

so closer collaboration then. groundbreaking. and you're against defunding the police.

that's right, walk it back, mental smudge.
 
so closer collaboration then. groundbreaking. and you're against defunding the police.

that's right, walk it back, mental smudge.

More name-calling based on assumptions.

Just like our President, I never supported defund the police.

I never said it was groundbreaking. It is an idea from an outsider. I don't have first hand knowledge, do you?

Besides cowardly calling me names, do you have a solution? Are you brave enough to share an idea or is "mental smudge" the best contribution we should expect?
 
More name-calling based on assumptions.

Just like our President, I never supported defund the police.

I never said it was groundbreaking. It is an idea from an outsider. I don't have first hand knowledge, do you?

Besides cowardly calling me names, do you have a solution? Are you brave enough to share an idea or is "mental smudge" the best contribution we should expect?

don't defund the police.

quit yammering on about reimagining when all you have is vagueness.

prosecute individual cops for excessive force when they use it.

quit hallucinating systemic boogeymen.
 
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