"What if anti-gun people started going after ammo rather than guns?"

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Bill Spencer
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Updated May 7
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Q: "What if anti-gun people started going after ammo rather than guns?"

A: No. This doesn’t work. Give up already.

I live in the state of California, which already HAS started going after ammo as well as guns. It is currently illegal to buy ammo for a gun that the state does not show is registered(*). Or to buy it without a license to buy ammo. Or a background check. Or to buy from someone without an ammo dealer’s state license, or FFL. Or to import it from any other state. Magazine size is also limited — although that is currently being overturned in Federal court.

A) The right to keep and bear arms covers ammunition also. SCOTUS recognizes that you can’t give people guns without ammo, and say that their right to keep and bear arms is satisfied. A gun without ammo is just a club, or a fancy wall ornament.

B) There is a whole industry called “reloading”. Usually, this is people who collect their brass casings, and make a new cartridge with a new primer, gunpowder, and bullet. If ammo becomes regulated or limited, more people start reloading. People start more advanced reloading, such as collecting spent lead and re-casting bullets, or even making primers. While “ammo” is regulated in California, ammo components are not.

C) The Federal government has and is already “going after ammo”. The Federal government purchases a *LOT* of ammo, given the military, and myriad Federal law enforcement officers. They stock up in *BIG* quantities, regularly.
Oh, and the government has the power to insist that its orders are filled first, because of public safety.
The Federal government has, from time to time, used this purchasing power to buy up all the popular sized ammo and make it impossible for regular gun owners to find their caliber in stock.

D) There are states with high taxes and other restrictions on cigarettes. In those states, there is also a black market for cigarettes without a tax stamp. Do you seriously think that gun owners won’t figure out an answer to ammo control or an intentional ammo shortage?

(*) Some commenters have noted updates to the California ammunition rules. I just checked (5/7/2021) at my range, and starting 7/1/2019:

CA has deferred enforcement of the requirement that you must have a registered gun in the caliber of cartridges that you wish to buy.
Firearm purchases require a Federal background check (NCIC) and also a CA DOJ background check. Ammo purchases just require the CA DOJ background check.
IF you purchased a gun in CA in the last 5 years (and are therefore current and on file), you pay $1 each time you buy ammo for an “instant background check”.
If you have not purchased a gun in CA in the last 5 years, then you must pay $19 to have a ~2–3 day CA DOJ background check run — EVERY TIME you buy ammo. And then go home to wait ~3 days before you can actually purchase it.
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What percent of people are anti gun? Do you have a clue what you are talking about? We have more guns than people. When is enough for you?
Dems have resigned themselves to living with cowboys. We do think military-style weapons should not be among citizens. We think ARs should not be common in America. We do think weapons designed to kill a lot of people at once should not be allowed because that is what they will be used for.
 
Nordberg said:
What percent of people are anti gun? Do you have a clue what you are talking about? We have more guns than people. When is enough for you?
Dems have resigned themselves to living with cowboys. We do think military-style weapons should not be among citizens. We think ARs should not be common in America. We do think weapons designed to kill a lot of people at once should not be allowed because that is what they will be used for.
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Those whose primary or only concern is how many people are in favor of or against something are often (usually) opposed by those whose primary concern is the actual effect of the proposition being discussed.

You know you would lose in a debate of the merits of gun control, so your focus is on the percentages of people you suggest are anti-gun instead of why the founders thought gun ownership is important to our nation's survival and our government of the people, by the people and for the people.
 
Nordberg said:
What percent of people are anti gun? Do you have a clue what you are talking about? We have more guns than people. When is enough for you?
Dems have resigned themselves to living with cowboys. We do think military-style weapons should not be among citizens. We think ARs should not be common in America. We do think weapons designed to kill a lot of people at once should not be allowed because that is what they will be used for.
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How many "military style weapons" are there? How many ARs are there? Do you have a clue what you are talking about? What is "enough"?
Law abiding citizens who own guns have resigned themselves to living with ignorant anti gun Nazis. The number of guns isn't the problem but the anti fun Nazis don't care about that. They will be the slime balls they are and move to get rid of ammo. It's the move I would make if I was an anti gun Nazi.
 
Nordberg said:
What percent of people are anti gun? Do you have a clue what you are talking about? We have more guns than people. When is enough for you?
Dems have resigned themselves to living with cowboys. We do think military-style weapons should not be among citizens. We think ARs should not be common in America. We do think weapons designed to kill a lot of people at once should not be allowed because that is what they will be used for.
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You are correct, America has resigned itself with living with wannabe cowboys, which also means America has pretty much desensitized itself to school or mass shootings, sad, but unfortunately a reality.

Fine, as long as they keep their toys and their gun killing laws in their own States, however I see a rash of SCOTUS cases involving packing across State lines and making the inane laws national, and we all know how independent thinking Trump's SCOTUS is when it comes to base cases
 
archives said:
You are correct, America has resigned itself with living with wannabe cowboys, which also means America has pretty much desensitized itself to school or mass shootings, sad, but unfortunately a reality.

Fine, as long as they keep their toys and their gun killing laws in their own States, however I see a rash of SCOTUS cases involving packing across State lines and making the inane laws national, and we all know how independent thinking Trump's SCOTUS is when it comes to base cases
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You should call your mother to get your diaper changed you fucking pussy.
 
Drummie123 said:
Those whose primary or only concern is how many people are in favor of or against something are often (usually) opposed by those whose primary concern is the actual effect of the proposition being discussed.

You know you would lose in a debate of the merits of gun control, so your focus is on the percentages of people you suggest are anti-gun instead of why the founders thought gun ownership is important to our nation's survival and our government of the people, by the people and for the people.
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The founders were whipped by the Brits a few times. I bet, even you can figure out we fought the Revolution with citizen-soldiers. That time and that need have passed. That argument is crap.
Yeah, lots of people hunted for food. But our people kill shoppers at Krogers. We have mass shootings at unspeakable rates. It is another black mark on America.
The founders lived in a different world and their need for the people to have weapons actually existed back then. It does not now, Not at all.
 
Nordberg said:
The founders were whipped by the Brits a few times. I bet, even you can figure out we fought the Revolution with citizen-soldiers. That time and that need have passed. That argument is crap.
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rights DO NOT CHANGE because times have changed.

Nordberg said:
Yeah, lots of people hunted for food. But our people kill shoppers at Krogers. We have mass shootings at unspeakable rates. It is another black mark on America.
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hyperbole means you lost

Nordberg said:
The founders lived in a different world and their need for the people to have weapons actually existed back then. It does not now, Not at all.
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your myopic and misguided view of urban society tells us you are not stable enough to have any real voice in the debate. you are dismissed
 
Nordberg said:
The founders were whipped by the Brits a few times. I bet, even you can figure out we fought the Revolution with citizen-soldiers. That time and that need have passed. That argument is crap.
Yeah, lots of people hunted for food. But our people kill shoppers at Krogers. We have mass shootings at unspeakable rates. It is another black mark on America.
The founders lived in a different world and their need for the people to have weapons actually existed back then. It does not now, Not at all.
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Try this on and see what you make from it.

Imagine in the not too distant future, a strict Conservative campaign by a popular charismatic Republican convincingly points out why the current political fashion is bad and his (or her) politics are waaay better and he/she is elected by some outrageously improbable margin.

And then she does the same thing the Leftists are doing under Biden, i.e. stealing our freedoms a bit at a time until we are subjects rather than the sovereigns* we are supposed to be.

And suppose they steal our right to own and bear arms first and then they set about becoming our masters.

How do we regain control of our government which she stole?

Once we are disarmed we have no recourse.

And that is when Lincoln's Gettysburg Address warning will have come to pass.

Government of the people, by the people and for the people will perish from the earth.

We only have our freedom because the government knows they have a well armed citizenry which is prepared to fight them if they overstep their authority which they get from US.

Firearms makes it all work.


* sovereign adjective
sov·​er·​eign | \ ˈsä-v(ə-)rən , -vərn also ˈsə- \

2a: possessed of supreme power
a sovereign ruler
 
I load my own. I also am into black powder were I can make both the propellant (black powder) and primer / initiator charges eg., "caps" using mercury or lead fulminate.
 
archives said:
You are correct, America has resigned itself with living with wannabe cowboys, which also means America has pretty much desensitized itself to school or mass shootings, sad, but unfortunately a reality.

Fine, as long as they keep their toys and their gun killing laws in their own States, however I see a rash of SCOTUS cases involving packing across State lines and making the inane laws national, and we all know how independent thinking Trump's SCOTUS is when it comes to base cases
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How come we only see you anti-American impostors only and always discussing tactics and the only time you discuss ideology is when you are bashing ours?

This makes you conspicuous.
 
Drummie123 said:
Try this on and see what you make from it.
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you will find that 95% of leftists will dismiss this as rightwing rhetoric and rambo fantasies because they somehow believe that their vote and voice is the most powerful weapon that can defeat any government firearm........unless, of course, it's rightwinger rambos.............................then the governments firearms, drones, and nukes are all they need to put them down
 
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