What will the next four years look like?

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Democrats seem very optimistic about Obama - not only his chances in November, but also the next four years in the event that the President secures a second term. I wish I were able to share their optimism. That said, I do not wish to be closed-minded on the subject. So here is your opportunity, Democrats, to persuade me - without using the word "Romney" - how Obama will be able to do in a second term what he failed to do in his first. Why should Barack Obama be reelected?
 
FYI, if you don't get any responses Soc started a similar thread the other day that is currently sitting on page 3. Not trying to discourage conversation here just pointing it out.
 
Understand that democrats come to this place in time, not because they are enthusiastic about Obama. Many recognize the failures of his administration. During the midterms they stayed home.

What brings them to this point of support is the the Republican Party itself and the gaggle of morons known as the Tea Party, the party of stupid.

There is a lot of anxiety among democrats about what Obama's second term will look like. He won't talk about it outside of glowing, nuanced preacher-speak. No one knows what they are buying, just like they didn't know what they were buying his first term.

But they will come out and re-elect Obama because they fear the morons in the Tea Party more than they fear Obama.

.. and they don't want to talk about that.
 
JustAnotherObamaRomneyTroll said:
Democrats seem very optimistic about Obama - not only his chances in November, but also the next four years in the event that the President secures a second term. I wish I were able to share their optimism. That said, I do not wish to be closed-minded on the subject. So here is your opportunity, Democrats, to persuade me - without using the word "Romney" - how Obama will be able to do in a second term what he failed to do in his first. Why should Barack Obama be reelected?
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We already went through those exercises.

What did you want Obama to do in the first 4? Convince ME that you actually wanted him to cut government and then tell us how it is you could support Bush and or Romney.

It will be better than the last 4 of Bush. Why? Obama won't have congress on his side. That's the only reason.
 
TheSuperstringTheory said:
We already went through those exercises.

What did you want Obama to do in the first 4?
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What he said he would do would have been a good start, e.g. cutting the deficit in half (or by any amount, for that matter).

Convince ME that you actually wanted him to cut government
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???

and then tell us how it is you could support Bush and or Romney.

It will be better than the last 4 of Bush. Why? Obama won't have congress on his side. That's the only reason.
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Not sure what Bush has to do with this. Besides, I never voted for him anyway. And I specifically asked for reasons to have hope for Obama's second term, not reasons to dislike Romney. I guess that was too much to ask for?
 
Regardless of who is elected:

From the day after the election until the end of 2013 we have a window to get the long term problems facing us resolved. If the weak ass politicians in DC push the problems in to the future with short term stop gap measures, we are screwed. If we get into 2014, midterm elections will cause the polarization to escalate once again.

The long term problems:

1) Deficit spending is out of control, trillion dollar deficits are unacceptable. Make the cuts, however painful. Take the pain now rather than creating a bigger problem for the future to deal with. Start with the waste in the DoD. Then take out the waste in Medicare.

2) Tax structure... whether you raise some or all of the brackets, make it permanent. No more of this temporary shit. Yes, politicians of the future can decide to change things again later, but don't force the issue by giving temporary brackets. It cause uncertainty and uncertainty is an enemy of progress.

3) Health care... we have wasted four years on Obama care... and it will not reduce health care spending per capita. We know the root causes of the continuing escalation of health care costs. Start addressing them. If you do not, we are once again screwed.

4) Education... in conjunction with the States, first get rid of the wasteful spending (especially the bulk of 15000 district offices/admin), then figure out what needs to be done to actually educate our country's youth. If not we are going to end up with more and more like Jarod/Ditzie/Webb/etc...

5) War on Drugs: this stupidity must stop. Prohibition does not work. Punish those that hurt others or break laws under the influence harshly, but otherwise legalize them and tax them like alcohol and tobacco.

6) Fix the tax code: it is a 70k page+ mess... eliminate loopholes/deductions/subsidies (all of them except the standard deduction would be great)

7) End the safe seats: end the rigging of House seats making the bulk 'safe' for one party or the other. It is allowing more and more extremists from the right and left to get elected. This is increasing the polarization in DC and creating havoc. Each state gets divided by the number of house seats into approximately equal populations. Those districts are drawn to be as close to a box or rectangle as possible.

The odds of any of this being done... slim to none... because the country seems intent on maintaining the two party polarization and silencing any third party that may arise.
 
No takers? Come on Dems, if Obama is so great it should be a piece of cake to defend him. Convince me that Obama deserves a second term.
 
Voltaire said:
Not sure what Bush has to do with this. Besides, I never voted for him anyway. And I specifically asked for reasons to have hope for Obama's second term, not reasons to dislike Romney. I guess that was too much to ask for?
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Convince ME that you support limited government. If you support Romney then you will not be able to do so. I am guessing you are what you always were, not a libertarian atheist, but rather a right wing Mormon troll.
 
TheSuperstringTheory said:
Convince ME that you support limited government. If you support Romney then you will not be able to do so. I am guessing you are what you always were, not a libertarian atheist, but rather a right wing Mormon troll.
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First, who the fuck are you?

Second, I do not claim to be a libertarian - I haven't claimed to be a libertarian since around 8 or 9 years ago. I want a government with some meat on it. If we could slash Federal spending down to 2007 or 2008 levels, I'd be a happy camper. Combine that with some tax reform and we'd have a balanced budget.
 
Voltaire said:
No takers? Come on Dems, if Obama is so great it should be a piece of cake to defend him. Convince me that Obama deserves a second term.
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I'm no democrat, but Obama deserves to own the recovery or the failure should the economy get worse. Give the democrats 4 more years so we can stop hearing excuses and shifting blame.
 
tinfoil said:
I'm no democrat, but Obama deserves to own the recovery or the failure should the economy get worse. Give the democrats 4 more years so we can stop hearing excuses and shifting blame.
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Then we'll have to give them Congress, too. Otherwise, they'll just say Obama couldn't get anything done because the GOP stopped him.
 
TheSuperstringTheory said:
What would you cut first? What is your idea to save the country?
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Cut spending by 4.5% annually, across the board. No exceptions - everything gets cut by 4% every year.

Even if revenues remained the same, we'd have a balanced budget in seven years. However, in reality the economy would improve and the budget would probably be balanced in 4 - 5 years.
 
AnotherObamaRomneyTroll said:
First, who the fuck are you?

Second, I do not claim to be a libertarian - I haven't claimed to be a libertarian since around 8 or 9 years ago. I want a government with some meat on it. If we could slash Federal spending down to 2007 or 2008 levels, I'd be a happy camper. Combine that with some tax reform and we'd have a balanced budget.
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Who knows who is who with you crossdressing trolls. But, that's not what I heard. You certainly were not a libertarian 8 or 9 years ago.

Romney is not going to get us back to 2007-2008 levels. He wants to permanently tack military spending to gdp and cuts in that are the only thing that ever got us close to a balanced budget.

I am the guy that made you (or who you were/are pretending to be) look like a fool when you trotted out your nonsense about how Jefferson wanted to mutilate homosexuals. That article got me more hits than any other. Were those all from you and your ignorant little friends? It does not matter, whether you were trying to make Jefferson look bad or trying to make your view of homosexuality seem moderate, you were wrong.
 
Okay I see you did. It's not impossible when you suggest it, huh? Only when Johnson does?

What would you cut FIRST?
 
TheSuperstringTheory said:
Who knows who is who with you crossdressing trolls. But, that's not what I heard. You certainly were not a libertarian 8 or 9 years ago.

Romney is not going to get us back to 2007-2008 levels. He wants to permanently tack military spending to gdp and cuts in that are the only thing that ever got us close to a balanced budget.

I am the guy that made you (or who you were/are pretending to be) look like a fool when you trotted out your nonsense about how Jefferson wanted to mutilate homosexuals. That article got me more hits than any other. Were those all from you and your ignorant little friends? It does not matter, whether you were trying to make Jefferson look bad or trying to make your view of homosexuality seem moderate, you were wrong.
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Romney is a stepping stone in the correct direction. What will voting for Gary Johnson accomplish?

That was a long time ago. Yes, I was wrong. 100% wrong. Not sure what your point is in dragging up shit from 8+ years ago, but thanks for derailing the discussion, asshole.
 
AnotherObamaRomneyTroll said:
Romney is a stepping stone in the correct direction. What will voting for Gary Johnson accomplish?
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To permanent big government? Again, Romney wants to tack military spending to GDP. We have never cut government spending without reducing the military budget. How are you going to get your 4% reduction across the board?

That was a long time ago. Yes, I was wrong. 100% wrong. Not sure what your point is in dragging up shit from 8+ years ago, but thanks for derailing the discussion, asshole.
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Wait a minute, iI thought you were a libertarian 8-9 years ago?
 
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