APP - What? You really Believe that!

midcan5

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Why do we believe what we believe? We all like to think we are thinking when really we are just going into our heads and coming out with who we are. "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are.*" So enjoy these attempts to explain why you believe what you believe. (I still want to know a bit more deeply where knowledge comes from, but that's another post.)

"One study showed that not even Bush’s own words could change the minds of Bush voters who believed there was an Iraq-Al Qaeda link....As it turned out, not even Bush’s own words could change the minds of these Bush voters—just 1 of the 49 partisans who originally believed the Iraq-Al Qaeda claim changed his or her mind. Far more common was resisting the correction in a variety of ways, either by coming up with counterarguments or by simply being unmovable:" ( interview comments in link below)

"In certain conservative communities, explains Yale’s Kahan, “People who say, ‘I think there’s something to climate change,’ that’s going to mark them out as a certain kind of person, and their life is going to go less well."" (from link)

"Head-on attempts to persuade can sometimes trigger a backfire effect, where people not only fail to change their minds when confronted with the facts—they may hold their wrong views more tenaciously than ever." (from link)


"In other words, when we think we’re reasoning, we may instead be rationalizing. Or to use an analogy offered by University of Virginia psychologist Jonathan Haidt: We may think we’re being scientists, but we’re actually being lawyers. Our “reasoning” is a means to a predetermined end—winning our "case" — and is shot through with biases. They include "confirmation bias," in which we give greater heed to evidence and arguments that bolster our beliefs, and “disconfirmation bias,” in which we expend disproportionate energy trying to debunk or refute views and arguments that we find uncongenial."

[..]

"Okay, so people gravitate toward information that confirms what they believe, and they select sources that deliver it. Same as it ever was, right? Maybe, but the problem is arguably growing more acute...."

https://medium.com/editors-picks/adfa0d026a7e

http://www.motherjones.com/files/descartes.pdf
http://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1095&context=fss_papers


"It all raises the question: Do left and right differ in any meaningful way when it comes to biases in processing information, or are we all equally susceptible?

There are some clear differences. Science denial today is considerably more prominent on the political right—once you survey climate and related environmental issues, anti-evolutionism, attacks on reproductive health science by the Christian right, and stem-cell and biomedical matters. More tellingly, anti-vaccine positions are virtually nonexistent among Democratic officeholders today—whereas anti-climate-science views are becoming monolithic among Republican elected officials."



"You can follow the logic to its conclusion: Conservatives are more likely to embrace climate science if it comes to them via a business or religious leader, who can set the issue in the context of different values than those from which environmentalists or scientists often argue. Doing so is, effectively, to signal a détente in what Kahan has called a “culture war of fact.” In other words, paradoxically, you don’t lead with the facts in order to convince. You lead with the values—so as to give the facts a fighting chance."

* Anais Nin
 
Why do we believe what we believe? We all like to think we are thinking when really we are just going into our heads and coming out with who we are. "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are.*" So enjoy these attempts to explain why you believe what you believe. (I still want to know a bit more deeply where knowledge comes from, but that's another post.)

"One study showed that not even Bush’s own words could change the minds of Bush voters who believed there was an Iraq-Al Qaeda link....As it turned out, not even Bush’s own words could change the minds of these Bush voters—just 1 of the 49 partisans who originally believed the Iraq-Al Qaeda claim changed his or her mind. Far more common was resisting the correction in a variety of ways, either by coming up with counterarguments or by simply being unmovable:" ( interview comments in link below)

"In certain conservative communities, explains Yale’s Kahan, “People who say, ‘I think there’s something to climate change,’ that’s going to mark them out as a certain kind of person, and their life is going to go less well."" (from link)

"Head-on attempts to persuade can sometimes trigger a backfire effect, where people not only fail to change their minds when confronted with the facts—they may hold their wrong views more tenaciously than ever." (from link)


"In other words, when we think we’re reasoning, we may instead be rationalizing. Or to use an analogy offered by University of Virginia psychologist Jonathan Haidt: We may think we’re being scientists, but we’re actually being lawyers. Our “reasoning” is a means to a predetermined end—winning our "case" — and is shot through with biases. They include "confirmation bias," in which we give greater heed to evidence and arguments that bolster our beliefs, and “disconfirmation bias,” in which we expend disproportionate energy trying to debunk or refute views and arguments that we find uncongenial."

[..]

"Okay, so people gravitate toward information that confirms what they believe, and they select sources that deliver it. Same as it ever was, right? Maybe, but the problem is arguably growing more acute...."

https://medium.com/editors-picks/adfa0d026a7e

http://www.motherjones.com/files/descartes.pdf
http://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1095&context=fss_papers


"It all raises the question: Do left and right differ in any meaningful way when it comes to biases in processing information, or are we all equally susceptible?

There are some clear differences. Science denial today is considerably more prominent on the political right—once you survey climate and related environmental issues, anti-evolutionism, attacks on reproductive health science by the Christian right, and stem-cell and biomedical matters. More tellingly, anti-vaccine positions are virtually nonexistent among Democratic officeholders today—whereas anti-climate-science views are becoming monolithic among Republican elected officials."



"You can follow the logic to its conclusion: Conservatives are more likely to embrace climate science if it comes to them via a business or religious leader, who can set the issue in the context of different values than those from which environmentalists or scientists often argue. Doing so is, effectively, to signal a détente in what Kahan has called a “culture war of fact.” In other words, paradoxically, you don’t lead with the facts in order to convince. You lead with the values—so as to give the facts a fighting chance."

* Anais Nin

do not bother me with the facts, my mind is made up...

too few people are capable of really thinking and mostly regurgitate what people that we trust (for whatever reason) tell us.

most of us are ready to embrace the fruits of science but are not willing to believe what scientists tell us that we do not want to hear or believe.

too few of us are even willing to embrace change. the more rapid the change the fewer that are willing to embrace it. yet, our world is changing at an ever increasing rate and the strain on our social fabric is such that it is ripping. of such is what sows the seeds of revolution. the increasing degree of partisanship is increasing and those on the losing end are freaking out and are fighting back as best they can, but they are waging a losing battle and are slowly becoming more and more aware and angry. the differences are coming close to those that preceded our civil war.
 
do not bother me with the facts, my mind is made up...

too few people are capable of really thinking and mostly regurgitate what people that we trust (for whatever reason) tell us.

most of us are ready to embrace the fruits of science but are not willing to believe what scientists tell us that we do not want to hear or believe.

too few of us are even willing to embrace change. the more rapid the change the fewer that are willing to embrace it. yet, our world is changing at an ever increasing rate and the strain on our social fabric is such that it is ripping. of such is what sows the seeds of revolution. the increasing degree of partisanship is increasing and those on the losing end are freaking out and are fighting back as best they can, but they are waging a losing battle and are slowly becoming more and more aware and angry. the differences are coming close to those that preceded our civil war.

Good thing none of the liberals suffer from that ;)
 
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