Where does the remarkable Biden economy go from here? And how much of a threat is Trump to it?

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Where Does a ‘Remarkable’ U.S. Economy Go From Here?​

America’s economy is far outstripping its peers, but there are serious risks, including from the president-elect.

The U.S. economy is pulling ahead of its global peers. Inflation is moderating, and the Federal Reserve is cutting interest rates.

Add in a decrease in unlawful southern border crossings and revved-up domestic production in several critical industries and they amount to a rough list of Donald J. Trump’s campaign promises.

It’s a list of economic wins that Mr. Trump is inheriting in large part because of policies that the Federal Reserve and Biden administration have pursued in recent years.

The economy is doing better than most economists predicted a few years ago. Forecasters widely warned that the Fed would seriously harm the economy as it tried to control runaway inflation by sharply raising interest rates in 2022 and 2023. Instead, price increases have come down substantially without a broader implosion. The unemployment rate is low. Consumers are spending.

But a variety of risks — some sheer happenstance, some floated by Mr. Trump — could interfere with that rosy outcome just as the newly re-elected president takes office.

Economists have also warned that Mr. Trump’s own policies could lift inflation.

In particular, the president-elect has promised to slap large tariffs on American trading partners, particularly China, a move that could raise consumers prices for imported goods.

Fed officials do not have a good sense yet of what Mr. Trump’s policies will encompass or how much they might add to inflation. But if they push up prices, that could prevent officials from cutting interest rates as much as they would otherwise.


 
The US economy is in actual decline. Bankruptcies are up this year alone almost 20% over last year, and they were up about 15% then. Chains are closing stores and outlets left and right. Others are going out of business entirely.

Labor utilization is at a post WW 2 low as more and more people stop looking for work or choose to work in the "gig" economy outside of jobs paid on a W 2. That is, they are working either under the table, or on a 1099. On the later, paying into FICA is optional. That is you roughly halve your tax payment to the federal government.

It would seem that the traditional indicators commonly in use by economists and the government, don't accurately reflect the economy as it actually is today. I think a good portion of that is the nature of our economy is in flux and change as it moves into the Electronics Age and out of the Industrial Age. As with the Industrial Revolution some 300-ish years ago, when the world goes through a period of technological change, there is a general upheaval of society. I don't think it's as recognized as it should be as of yet.
 
Crypress is STILL pretending that the "Biden economy" is great and that the "Trump economy" somehow wasn't great before and somehow won't be great again.

Crypress apparently enjoys economic depressions, high interest rates, and high inflation rates instead of economic growth, low interest rates, and low inflation rates.

Poor Crypress.
 

Where Does a ‘Remarkable’ U.S. Economy Go From Here?​

America’s economy is far outstripping its peers, but there are serious risks, including from the president-elect.

The U.S. economy is pulling ahead of its global peers. Inflation is moderating, and the Federal Reserve is cutting interest rates.

Add in a decrease in unlawful southern border crossings and revved-up domestic production in several critical industries and they amount to a rough list of Donald J. Trump’s campaign promises.

It’s a list of economic wins that Mr. Trump is inheriting in large part because of policies that the Federal Reserve and Biden administration have pursued in recent years.

The economy is doing better than most economists predicted a few years ago. Forecasters widely warned that the Fed would seriously harm the economy as it tried to control runaway inflation by sharply raising interest rates in 2022 and 2023. Instead, price increases have come down substantially without a broader implosion. The unemployment rate is low. Consumers are spending.

But a variety of risks — some sheer happenstance, some floated by Mr. Trump — could interfere with that rosy outcome just as the newly re-elected president takes office.

Economists have also warned that Mr. Trump’s own policies could lift inflation.

In particular, the president-elect has promised to slap large tariffs on American trading partners, particularly China, a move that could raise consumers prices for imported goods.

Fed officials do not have a good sense yet of what Mr. Trump’s policies will encompass or how much they might add to inflation. But if they push up prices, that could prevent officials from cutting interest rates as much as they would otherwise.


It goes to the same place Biden's brain went to. The dump.
 

Where Does a ‘Remarkable’ U.S. Economy Go From Here?​

America’s economy is far outstripping its peers, but there are serious risks, including from the president-elect.

The U.S. economy is pulling ahead of its global peers. Inflation is moderating, and the Federal Reserve is cutting interest rates.

Add in a decrease in unlawful southern border crossings and revved-up domestic production in several critical industries and they amount to a rough list of Donald J. Trump’s campaign promises.

It’s a list of economic wins that Mr. Trump is inheriting in large part because of policies that the Federal Reserve and Biden administration have pursued in recent years.

The economy is doing better than most economists predicted a few years ago. Forecasters widely warned that the Fed would seriously harm the economy as it tried to control runaway inflation by sharply raising interest rates in 2022 and 2023. Instead, price increases have come down substantially without a broader implosion. The unemployment rate is low. Consumers are spending.

But a variety of risks — some sheer happenstance, some floated by Mr. Trump — could interfere with that rosy outcome just as the newly re-elected president takes office.

Economists have also warned that Mr. Trump’s own policies could lift inflation.

In particular, the president-elect has promised to slap large tariffs on American trading partners, particularly China, a move that could raise consumers prices for imported goods.

Fed officials do not have a good sense yet of what Mr. Trump’s policies will encompass or how much they might add to inflation. But if they push up prices, that could prevent officials from cutting interest rates as much as they would otherwise.


Is this satire?
 
Labor utilization is at a post WW 2 low as more and more people stop looking for work or choose to work in the "gig" economy outside of jobs paid on a W 2. That is, they are working either under the table, or on a 1099. On the later, paying into FICA is optional. That is you roughly halve your tax payment to the federal government.
There is no macroeconomic standard for labor utilization, so there is no statistics on it. There is no way to compare labor utilization between jobs.

Could you be thinking of labor participation? It almost sounds like that is what you are claiming. The problem with that is labor participation is still above where it was in the early 1970's. It is dropping, because more people are aging out of the workforce, but rose from WWII to the 2000's as women joined the workforce.

The gig economy generally includes W-2 or 1099-NEC forms. It is not under the table. Uber is not paying anyone under the table. 1099-NEC forms mean you have to pay self employed FICA taxes which are higher than normal employment taxes. They are not "optional."

An independent contractor gets a 1099-NEC form, and is considered self-employed. They are required to pay both the employee, and the employer part of Social Security taxes. That nearly doubles their FICA taxes.
 
There is no macroeconomic standard for labor utilization, so there is no statistics on it. There is no way to compare labor utilization between jobs.



Could you be thinking of labor participation? It almost sounds like that is what you are claiming. The problem with that is labor participation is still above where it was in the early 1970's. It is dropping, because more people are aging out of the workforce, but rose from WWII to the 2000's as women joined the workforce.

Participation rate is related to utilization rate and the terms are often used interchangeably. It's currently dropping because people don't want to get traditional jobs. You have "influencers" and others that attempt to make a living doing internet stuff like YouTube videos and the like, along with gig labor / jobs worked on a 1099 or under the table. The number of people claiming disabilities has risen significantly as now virtually any negative trait someone has is classed as a disability. Morbidly obese? You're disabled. Stupid? You're disabled.
The gig economy generally includes W-2 or 1099-NEC forms. It is not under the table. Uber is not paying anyone under the table. 1099-NEC forms mean you have to pay self employed FICA taxes which are higher than normal employment taxes. They are not "optional."

I do my side work on a 1099. I pay ZERO in FICA. It is optional, and has always been optional. That is because you are considered "self-employed" and a business owner of sorts, not a worker or employee.
An independent contractor gets a 1099-NEC form, and is considered self-employed. They are required to pay both the employee, and the employer part of Social Security taxes. That nearly doubles their FICA taxes.

When I do jobs for other contractors, I get a 1099 from them and pay ZERO FICA on it. I have to pay the taxes associated with it. When I get oil royalties, I use a 1099 to pay the taxes on that and pay ZERO FICA on it.

In effect, so long as I am working as an independent contractor for myself, as a "business owner," I don't have to pay into FICA if I don't want to. Now, if you are younger, that means you aren't getting quarters towards social security benefits, etc., but for older and retired folks not paying FICA means it doesn't count as income that can lower social security payments. Thus, older workers prefer to do gig work to avoid paying into FICA.
 


The first two are links to microeconomic definitions for labor utilization, and the third does not even mention labor utilization. You say the overall labor utilization is collected, so what is it? What is the number?

Participation rate is related to utilization rate and the terms are often used interchangeably.
Not really. Participation is the rate that people are working. Utilization is the percent of the time people are employed that they are actually working. That is sometimes defined for a particular job, but there is no attempt to compare different jobs. Is a security guard watching a CC camera being utilized? How about a retail clerk waiting for customers?

I do my side work on a 1099. I pay ZERO in FICA.
If you are getting a 1099-NEC, and paying "ZERO in FICA", you are in real trouble. Get in touch with a tax professional, and they will be able to help you. It is better to contact the IRS with your error, than to have the IRS contact you.

That is because you are considered "self-employed" and a business owner of sorts, not a worker or employee.
Self employed pay FICA taxes which are much higher than the normally employed. You might be able to get some of the income considered dividends or other capital gains, if you can get the pay to an S-Corp, but even then you are required to take a salary, and pay your FICA.

When I do jobs for other contractors, I get a 1099 from them and pay ZERO FICA on it. I have to pay the taxes associated with it. When I get oil royalties, I use a 1099 to pay the taxes on that and pay ZERO FICA on it.
Oil royalties would usually be unearned income, and would not be covered by FICA. When you do a JOB, you are self employed, and are required to pay the employer and the employee parts of FICA. It is not taken out of your paycheck like when you are a normal employee, but it is still owed.

As long as this was just a mistake, you will only owe back taxes, penalties, and interest. They can even work out a payment plan. It kind of sucks, but it is not that bad. If it is proven to be intentional, you might be looking at felony time.
 
The remarkable economy narrative is only bought by the rubes who dont know any better.

Fools who walk into their chains as ordered deserve what they get.

My sympathy tanks are dry.
 
The remarkable economy narrative is only bought by the rubes who dont know any better.

Fools who walk into their chains as ordered deserve what they get.

My sympathy tanks are dry.

I'll tell you who does know better when sizing up the strength or the weakness of our economy, that
would be the American people who voted for change, and voted to get themselves out of the worst
economy, other than the Great Depression America has seen these past 4 years.
 
I'll tell you who does know better when sizing up the strength or the weakness of our economy, that
would be the American people who voted for change, and voted to get themselves out of the worst
economy, other than the Great Depression America has seen these past 4 years.
Household balance sheets are getting worse in a hurry....that the Regime pretty much mocks us for saying so as they point to their fraudulent numbers certainly makes an impression.
 
The remarkable economy narrative is only bought by the rubes who dont know any better.

Fools who walk into their chains as ordered deserve what they get.

My sympathy tanks are dry.
It is funny, because I am splitting my time between rebalancing my Roth, and reading this nonsense.
 
Household balance sheets are getting worse in a hurry....that the Regime pretty much mocks us for saying so as they point to their fraudulent numbers certainly makes an impression.
Its not surprising to to see these clueless libs continue to spout out this ridiculous madness they believe bidenomics
is doing great and we're economically in great shape. Remember when the libs said that Trump was responsible for
our economy to go into the dumper as it did under biden? And that Trump's 1.8 % or so inflation rate was a mirage
and that biden's upwards of 8 or 9% inflation rate was due to Trump's bad economy. Oh how I love it when Trump
keeps referring to that map he saw during his rally in Penn that saved his life, in that the map clearly showed how
the inflation rate was at its lowest mark right when Trump left office, and then skyrocketed during biden's 1st and I
believe second years as potus. Facts just don't matter to these Trump hating morons.
 
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Its not surprising to to see these clueless libs continue to spout out this ridiculous madness they believe bidenomics
is doing great and we're economically in great shape. Remember when the libs said that Trump was responsible for
our economy to go into the dumper as it did under biden? And that Trump's 1.8 % or so inflation rate was a mirage
and that biden's upwards of 8 or 9% inflation rate was due to Trump's bad economy. Oh how I love it when Trump
keeps referring to that map he saw during his rally in Penn that saved his life, in that the map clearly showed how
the inflation rate was at its lowest mark right when Trump left office, and then skyrocketed during biden's 1st and I
believe second years as potus. Facts just don't matter to these Trump hating morons.
Facts dont matter to the ideologically possessed....the successfully brainwashed.

In a universe were stupid hurts they pull this stunt.

They deserve what they get.
 
Oh how I love it when Trump keeps referring to that map he saw during his rally in Penn that saved his life, in that the map clearly showed how
the inflation rate was at its lowest mark right when Trump left office
Maps do not work that way. Could you be thinking of a chart?

And beyond that, you are just plain wrong about inflations lowest point. The lowest point in the last 70 years was in 2009, when Obama was President. That is nothing to be proud of, we had dangerous deflation back then, coming out of the Bush Era. It was worse than inflation.

Obama, and then trump were trying to create inflation to get it to 2%. Unfortunately, with the pandemic, we got too much inflation. About two thirds of the cause of inflation was from the trump administration. The Biden years have been all about getting it back to 2%.
 
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