Who has the right to Jerusalem and Israel?

Chapdog said:
Muslims did it just as much if not more then any other religion thru history.
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That's true. This has been going on for thousands of yrs.

I say let's build a big fence around them, give them all the same weapons, and let them settle it like they want. The last person standing wins the prize.
 
Damocles said:
You forget that the Palestinians were offered the land that they occupied, that Israel agreed and the Palestinians refused to accept it.
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It also appears that the rest of the Arab countries have no real love for those that refer to themselves as Palestinians.
They've either been booted out of almost every other Arab country, or put into camps.
 
Chapdog said:
you could make that statement at any point all throughout the history of Israel and Jerusalem.
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So they should just continue to ignore property rights? That will only lead to more fighting.

Not suggesting it, but the only equitable solution might be to remove both of them and send them to opposite positions on the globe. I say we move all the Jews to wherever nAHZi lives. :)
 
Chapdog said:
With all the talk you here you would assume that the state of Israel was just planted down and stolen from Palestinians like we took the native Americans land... but if you do a little research you can see that palistinians were actualy the squatters in this case and that in actuality its been controlled by more empires then any other area in the world. The first know was the Kingdom of Israel united by the Jewish tribes to protect against foreign invaders.

Watch this youtube of the ever changing control
YouTube- The Ever-changing Map Of Middle East
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Do you know anything about Squatters rights? Those Palestinians have been living their for centuries.
 
Mr. Spite said:
No, the British did not. The original UN treaty only gave the Jews lands where they were already situated. The Jews then attacked the Palestinian state and ethnically cleansed what they took. Ethnic cleansing was a common practice in the past, but it's rather frowned upon in a modern context, with war crimes and hangings and all.

The idea of trying to split the land up to different nationalities was retarded. The only real solution is a binational Israeli state. I think it should be a matter of international law that taking another states land doesn't give you the right to eliminate the people who live there because of the color of their skin.
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The problem is that most jews and Christians support the jews taking Israel since this is one of the requirements of the end of days. That is why the international community has allowed this ethnic cleansing, but more and more people are starting to realize that the Israelis are not acting like GOD's so called "chosen people" and have not been a light onto the world. More like a pimple.
 
Liberty said:
Doesn't the bible say that the Isrealites went into the land and killed everything in it? Women, children, animals, etc? Someone was there before they got there according to the bible.

Didn't they take the land by force again in 1948, or so? Kicking people out of there homes and businesses, and then offered them a place outside of there original home?
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No, it states that they tried to remove all the Canaanites though they were unsuccessful.

Yes the state of Israel today is illegitimate and their boundaries are illegal according to international law. But thanks to the USA and their VETO power and the fact that many Evangelicals support Israel's existence(because of the end times prophecies). All of the UN's resolutions are not enforced.
 
Mr. Spite said:
The historical Kingdom of Israel lead by David probably never even existed. Anyway, just because a nationality owned a strip of land 2k years ago doesn't give them the right to throw the people off the land and take it as their own 2k years after the fact.
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actually, 2000 years ago it was the Romans.....
 
Damocles said:
You forget that the Palestinians were offered the land that they occupied, that Israel agreed and the Palestinians refused to accept it.
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So you and thorn are supporters of evil ethnic cleansing? May you evil people be justly eliminated from the lords earth, as all evil must.
 
Superfreak said:
yes, the British DID. After their colonization efforts, they arbitrarily drew lines and created countries in the middle east. They also proposed at the time a two state solution. An Arab state and a Jewish State This plan was rejected by the Palestinian Arabs and fighting ensued. Then Israel declared itself independent and five neighboring Arab nations attacked Israel as a result. Ironically, Iran was one of the first countries to recognize the State of Israel.

Your 'real solution' is no longer feasible. There is too much animosity to pretend that one country could be formed at this point. A two state solution is the route that will eventually be followed.
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The two state solution is not possible without ethnically cleansing Jews or Arabs. There is no doubt in my.mind that you will choose arabs.
 
Mr. Spite said:
Cromagnon were at least 20k years ago. They would've long past bread into homo homo sapiens.
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Canadian ? I don't believe it....you're much too freakin' stupid to be Canadian....you probably emigrated to Canada, from Idiotville, no doubt.
 
Mr. Spite said:
So you and thorn are supporters of evil ethnic cleansing? May you evil people be justly eliminated from the lords earth, as all evil must.
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I am a supporter of truth. Ignoring pieces because you want to choose sides simply because it is "different" is sophomoric.
 
How did I get pwned? I viciously slaughtered the forces of evil in this thread.

When god comes to wipe you from the earth there will be no mercy. It is to late for the conservative animals to repent, for their crimes are unforgivable in magnitude.
 
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