Who were the Scythians

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Scythian, also called Scyth, Saka, and Sacae, member of a nomadic people, originally of Iranian stock, known from as early as the 9th century BCE who migrated westward from Central Asia to southern Russia and Ukraine in the 8th and 7th centuries BCE.

The Scythians founded a rich, powerful empire centred on what is now Crimea. The empire survived for several centuries before succumbing to the Sarmatians during the period from the 4th century BCE to the 2nd century CE.

Until the 20th century, most of what was known of the history of the Scythians came from the account of them by the ancient Greek historian Herodotus, who visited their territory. In modern times that record has been expanded chiefly by Russian and other anthropologists excavating kurgans in such places as Tyva and Kazakhstan.

The Scythians were feared and admired for their prowess in war and, in particular, for their horsemanship. They were among the earliest people to master the art of riding, and their mobility astonished their neighbours.

The migration of the Scythians from Asia eventually brought them into the territory of the Cimmerians, who had traditionally controlled the Caucasus and the plains north of the Black Sea. In a war that lasted 30 years, the Scythians destroyed the Cimmerians and set themselves up as rulers of an empire stretching from west Persia through Syria and Judaea to the borders of Egypt.

The Medes, who ruled Persia, attacked them and drove them out of Anatolia, leaving them finally in control of lands which stretched from the Persian border north through the Kuban and into southern Russia.

The Scythians were remarkable not only for their fighting ability but also for the complex culture they produced. They developed a class of wealthy aristocrats who left elaborate graves—such as the kurgans in the Valley of the Tsars (or Kings) near Arzhan, 40 miles (60 km) from Kyzyl, Tyva—filled with richly worked articles of gold, as well as beads of turquoise, carnelian, and amber, and many other valuable objects.

This class of chieftains, the Royal Scyths, finally established themselves as rulers of the southern Russian and Crimean territories. It is there that the richest, oldest, and most-numerous relics of Scythian civilization have been found. Their power was sufficient to repel an invasion by the Persian king Darius I about 513 BCE.

The Royal Scyths were headed by a sovereign whose authority was transmitted to his son. Eventually, about the time of Herodotus, the royal family intermarried with Greeks. In 339 the ruler Ateas was killed at age 90 while fighting Philip II of Macedonia. The community was eventually destroyed in the 2nd century BCE, Palakus being the last sovereign whose name is preserved in history.

The Scythian army was made up of freemen who received no wage other than food and clothing but who could share in booty on presentation of the head of a slain enemy. Many warriors wore Greek-style bronze helmets and chain-mail jerkins.

Their principal weapon was a double-curved bow and trefoil-shaped arrows; their swords were of the Persian type. Every Scythian had at least one personal mount, but the wealthy owned large herds of horses, chiefly Mongolian ponies. Burial customs were elaborate and called for the sacrifice of members of the dead man’s household, including wife, servants, and a number of horses.

Despite these characteristics, their many and exquisite grave goods, notably the animal-style gold artifacts, reveal that the Scythians were also culturally advanced.

Further, some gold ornaments thought to have been created by Greeks for the Scythians were shown to have predated their contact with Greek civilization.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Scythian
 
Imagine america if the euros who came to take it had had the same interest in the cultures already here that they had/have with these so called biblical cultures and stories.
 
The astonishing victories of the Scythians brought them a great deal of fame, and much of Western Persia fell under the rule of Scythian chieftains. It has been recorded that they invaded Syria and Judea around 625 BC.


Scythopolis

Pompey and the Romans rebuilt Beth Shean in 63 BC and it was renamed Scythopolis (“city of the Scythians;” cf. Col 3:11).


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It became the capital city of the Decapolis and was the only one on the west side of the Jordan. The city continued to grow and prosper in the Roman and Byzantine periods until it was destroyed on January 18, 749 by an earthquake. Evidence of this earthquake includes dozens of massive columns that toppled over in the same direction.
 
Description: A map of the regions of Palestine after the Scythian invasion (628 BC) and the reign of Josiah (639–608 BC) showing principal cities, mountains, rivers, the route of the Scythians, and the dominions of Assyria, Phoenicians, Ammonites, Philistines, Judah, Moabites, and Edomites.


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A good contribution to a forum mostly known for ignorance, racism, bigotry, and Trump boot-licking.

The so-called "barbarian" empires of the central Asian steppes, prior to Ghengis Khan seem to be typically ignored by western historians and largely dismissed in the Euro-centric western historical canon.

The limited amount I know of the Sycthians comes from Herodotus, and I actually have a video class on my bucket list to learn more about the empires of the central Asian steppes. Should be good times!
 
Imagine america if the euros who came to take it had had the same interest in the cultures already here that they had/have with these so called biblical cultures and stories.

Wow.. That would be something, wouldn't it? But, you know the science of archaeology started as an effort to PROVE the Bible stories so their focus was pretty myopic.
 
A good contribution to a forum mostly known for ignorance, racism, bigotry, and Trump boot-licking.

The so-called "barbarian" empires of the central Asian steppes, prior to Ghengis Khan seem to be typically ignored by western historians and largely dismissed in the Euro-centric western historical canon.

The limited amount I know of the Sycthians comes from Herodotus, and I actually have a video class on my bucket list to learn more about the empires of the central Asian steppes. Should be good times!


I envy you.. I would love to take a course like that.

Most scholars think that Gog and Magog were Scythians or Lydians who invaded Palestine around 600 BC.

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I envy you.. I would love to take a course like that.

Most scholars think that Gog and Magog were Scythians or Lydians who invaded Palestine around 600 BC.

I take advantage of college-level courses available digitally or via DVDs, and there are several ways to acquire them or get access.
This is the one I have on my watchlist.

The Barbarian Empires of the Steppes

Professor Kenneth W. Harl, Ph.D.
Tulane University

From antiquity through the Middle Ages, nomadic warriors repeatedly emerged from the steppes, exerting direct and indirect pressure on sedentary populations and causing a domino effect of displacement and cultural exchange.

It’s a part of history that’s often overlooked, but to have an accurate view of how civilization evolved, it’s important to have a clear understanding of who these people were and the magnitude of their impact on the world.

Consider these turning points set into motion by steppe nomads, each of which reverberates still:

The fall of the Roman Empire can be blamed at least in part on the Huns.
Christians of Asia Minor converted to Islam after the clergy fled the nomadic Turks.
The Mongol sack of Baghdad destroyed the city and its role in the Muslim world.
China’s modern-day Great Wall was constructed in response to the humiliation of Mongol rule.
The spread of Buddhism and trade followed the Silk Road, which allowed cultural exchange between nomads and settled zones across Eurasia.
Russia’s preemptive expansion into the northern regions was a reaction to the horror of being conquered by Mongols.

In controlling massive swaths of land and forcing wave after wave of displaced populations to make contact, these invaders facilitated a transfer of language, religion, culture, trade, weaponry, and technology that affects us to this day. Their military technology and tactics in particular—from stirrups and saddles to gunpowder and the strategic use of terror—would be adopted by civilizations on the edges of the Eurasian landmass, as well as by subsequent civilizations.
 
A good contribution to a forum mostly known for ignorance, racism, bigotry, and Trump boot-licking.

The so-called "barbarian" empires of the central Asian steppes, prior to Ghengis Khan seem to be typically ignored by western historians and largely dismissed in the Euro-centric western historical canon.

The limited amount I know of the Sycthians comes from Herodotus, and I actually have a video class on my bucket list to learn more about the empires of the central Asian steppes. Should be good times!

You must not read much then. The Scythians, Bulgars, Magyars, Huns and other Turkic nomads are about as well known as one could hope given that their nomadic nature didn't lend itself to much in the way of written records. The best sources we would have would be the Chinese ones and they're rather well guarded for a number of reason from Western eyes. Regardless though, anyone with even a modicum of interest knows of them.
 
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Magog, which means covering, roof or dissolving, is listed as the second of the seven sons of Japheth by the Bible. His people dwelt in the north. All of its combatants were horsemen equipped with the bow as their weapon. He was the direct ancestor of the Magogites. Their name was identified with terror and brutality in the East.

https://amazingbibletimeline.com/blog/magog/

The Magogites and Scythians

Scythia was a nation that used to be at the north of the Black Sea in the middle of the Caucasus and Mesopotamia from the years 630 to 600 BC. They were known for their bow and for battling mainly on horseback, the two qualities also seen by the early Magogites. Scythians were identified as merciless people; awfully brutal and barbaric to the nations they invaded.

The Place of Magog

People of Magog or the Magogites were said to be a “great and powerful” nation that lived in “extreme recesses of the north”. Historians stated that the people of Magog were with the “Greeks called Scythians”. The Scythian dwelt in the north of Black Sea and of Caucasus Mountains, in the area now belonged to Russia.

Magogites were forced out from Anatolia in 584 BC and went back to the North of Caucasus. But while in the Middle East, they moved towards the central Asia, to the land of the ancient Mongols, Mongolia. The term Mongol is thought to have derived from the name Magog.

Syrians declared Magog as another term referring Asiatic Turkey while the Arabians connected it to an area in the middle of Caspian and Euxine.

And where are the Magogites nowadays? It is said they ended up in southern Russia. Scythians are a large percentage of the population in Russia today.

Magog in the Bible

Genesis 10:2, 1 Chronicles 1:5. Magog as the second son of Japheth.

Ezekiel 38:2. Magog as the land of Gog.

Ezekiel 38:15. The nation of mighty horsemen from the far north.

Ezekiel 39:6. A fire to be sent on Magog.

Revelation 20:8. Gog and Magog allied together for a battle.
 
Russia and the War of Gog and Magog



While most end times Bible prophecy authors have argued that Russia's origins trace back to the ancient nation of "Magog” described in Ezekiel 38-39, this is simply not true.

This myth that traces back to the mid 1800’s is built on historical statements that were deliberately altered, and on the assumption that the similarity of certain words could mean something else in another language.

Although ancient records have been found that tell a different story about the identity of Magog and about Russia’s origins, the “Russia is Magog” myth persists.
 
Assyrian Court Records

The popular identification of the nations of Ezekiel 38-39 is not correct. Despite the traditional viewpoint, professional archeologists know the identity of these nations from the Assyrian Royal Court records. The reliable, clear and detailed records of Assyrian Royal Court show they dealt directly with each of these nations about 100 years before Ezekiel wrote.

These are the same records that are referred to in Ezra 4:15, 19 and 5:17-6:7. These passages tell how the Jews of the fifth century BC 538 BC–457 BC overcame opposition by the local Persian governor to the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem by referring to these same Assyrian cuneiform court records.

They are also the same records Bible scholars now use to provide independent verification and edification of the Bible’s historical accounts from about 805 BC to 530 BC.

The Assyrian Royal Court records provide direct evidence and represent an incontestable primary source on this subject, since they were written during the time period in question by people who were directly involved.

Primary sources have greater value than secondary sources, which can include generalizations, speculation and interpretations made long after the occurrence of the events. On this particular subject, too often what has been written about these countries constitutes secondary evidence and is not based on facts.

In some instances statements are the product of mischief, bias or not studying all of the available information.

The Assyrian Court records show dealings with Magog, Meshech, Tubal, and Togarmah (Ezekiel 38:3-6), the nations that stretched across ancient Asia Minor (modern Turkey) from west to east. From these records we also learn that the ancient nation of Gomer (Ezekiel 38:6), an enemy of the Assyrians invaded Asia Minor by coming down from an area around the northeast shore of the Black Sea.

Archeologists know that the militant leader called “Gog” in Ezekiel 38/39 led a confederacy of these nations against invading Gomer.
 
Who and what are Gog and Magog?

Gog is a historical man who the Greeks called Gyges of Lydia. In Gyges of Lydia we have the leader the Assyrians called “Gugu, King of Ludu,” and “Gugu of Magugu,” who is referred to in the Bible as Gog of Magog.

“Magog” simply means “the land of Gog.” In Akkadian ma means land, so in Akkadian Ma- gugu means “the land of Gugu,” which becomes our Ma-gog. (Just as the Assyrian eponym for the land of the leader called Zamua is rendered as Ma-zamua). Magog is an eponym for the ancient nation of Lydia that was in the westernmost part of Asia Minor.

The Assyrians often referred to a new land by the name of the first leader they learned of from this land. The Assyrians dealt with Lydia through Meshech, who were subsequently defeated by Gomer, and thus the Assyrians finally came to deal with Lydia directly.

In the prophecy of Ezekiel 38/39 Gog is being used as a “historical type” of the “antichrist” who is prophesied to come during the end times, and Magog is being used as a “historical type” of “the land of the antichrist.”


It has been mistakenly believed that the ancient nation of “Magog” in western Asia Minor was the ancient “tribal name” of the “Scythians,” a group of Iranian speaking nomadic tribes from Central Asia (north of Iran) that traveled across the Russian steppes, and came to live in the territory north of the Black Sea.

Then, in turn, and again in error, it has been believed that the ancient Scythians were the progenitors of the modern Russians. In Foes from the Northern Frontier Dr. Edwin Yamauchi, a professor of history at Miami University in Ohio emphatically explains that none of the ancient nations referred to in Ezekiel 38-39 can possibly be related to modern Russia. Further, Yamauchi says:


“Even if one were to transliterate the Hebrew rosh as a proper name (as does the NAS) rather than translate it as ‘chief’ (as does the KJV, NIV, and Hebrew Tanakh), it can have nothing to do with modern ‘Russia.’ This would be a gross anachronism for the modern name is based upon the name Rus, which was brought into the region of Kiev, north of the Black Sea, by the Vikings only in the Middle Ages.”

Daniel I. Block, a professor of Old Testament at Wheaton College in Wheaton, Illinois in The Book of Ezekiel writes,

“The popular identification of Tubal with Tubolsk in Russia (H. Lindsey, The Late Great Planet Earth 1970, p.53) is ludicrous . . . The popular identification of Meshech with Moscow (of Lindsey, The Late Great Planet Earth p.53) is absurd.

http://www.newscientificevidenceforgod.com/2012/02/debunking-russiawar-of-gog-and-magog.html
 
You must not read much then. The Scythians, Bulgars, Magyars, Huns and other Turkic nomads are about as well known as one could hope given that their nomadic nature didn't lend itself to much in the way of written records. The best sources we would have would be the Chinese ones and they're rather well guarded for a number of reason from Western eyes. Regardless though, anyone with even a modicum of interest knows of them.

I reject the premise of your post and your tepid attempt at being condescending has zero effect on me.

If what I write annoys you then stop reading my posts. I don't read yours because I find you incredibly boring.
 
I reject the premise of your post and your tepid attempt at being condescending has zero effect on me.

If what I write annoys you then stop reading my posts. I don't read yours because I find you incredibly boring.

Could you cry a little harder? Or are you simply upset because someone else knows about the subject (probably more than you)?
 
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