Why is big pharma making tons of money during the pandemic?

WalterWilson said:
So the government is trying to help big pharma, by spending government money to fund their delusions.

That's what you think?
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vaxx delusions?
more like diminishing efficacy more quickly over time. Why Biden is pushing boosters this month

The vaxxes hit the spike protein. acquired immunity antibodies target the entire antigen. it is what it is
 
WalterWilson said:
So the government is trying to help big pharma, by spending government money to fund their delusions.

That's what you think?
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To a certain degree that is right. And Biden is not the reason why:

"The most blatant instance involves the venerable old camera and filmmaker, Kodak. On July 28, Mr. Trump announced a $765 million loan to the firm to bring drug production back to the United States. He called it “one of the most important deals in the history of the U.S. pharmaceutical industries,” even though Kodak isn’t even a pharmaceutical company.

Before the announcement, Kodak had handed its board of directors 240,000 stock options, and just the day before had given its CEO 1.75 million stock options. After Mr. Trump’s announcement, Kodak shares shot up more than 2,757%. Suddenly, the board’s stock options were worth about $4 million, and the CEO’s about $50 million.

Is this sort of insider trading against the law? You bet. The Securities and Exchange Commission is looking into the deal, which is now temporarily on hold.

But the SEC’s co-director of enforcement, Steven Peikin, who had been investigating several of the deals involving the White House and corporate insiders, including Kodak, resigned last week without explanation. Another in the lengthening list of independent regulators and inspectors general forced out by Mr. Trump?

This much is clear: Mr. Trump and his Republican enablers won’t provide $600 per week to tens of millions of Americans who need the money to survive the pandemic, because Mr. Trump and the GOP believe the money undermines incentives to work. Yet Mr. Trump has no problem letting billionaires illegally profit off the pandemic. He thinks that as long as they buoy the stock market, they’re helping the American economy."

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinio...0200811-wquvbalnnbeq7c4ogcfwfov7rm-story.html
 
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Antigen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigen
In immunology, an antigen (Ag) is a molecule or molecular structure, that may be present on the outside of a pathogen, that can be bound by an antigen-specific antibody or B-cell antigen receptor.[1] The presence of antigens in the body normally triggers an immune response.[2]
 
anatta said:
vaxx delusions?
more like diminishing efficacy more quickly over time. Why Biden is pushing boosters this month

The vaxxes hit the spike protein. acquired immunity antibodies target the entire antigen. it is what it is
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Said no medical scientist ever.

Acquired immunity has been debunked as a primary defense against Covid.

The Vaccines don't "hit the spike protein", they create it. Why don't you go do some actual research before you start parroting any more wrong information.

A Closer Look at How COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Work
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.
First, COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the muscle cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.
Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.
At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. The benefit of mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is those vaccinated gain this protection without ever having to risk the serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html
 
WalterWilson said:
Said no medical scientist ever.

Acquired immunity has been debunked as a primary defense against Covid.

The Vaccines don't "hit the spike protein", they create it. Why don't you go do some actual research before you start parroting any more wrong information.

A Closer Look at How COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Work
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.
First, COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the muscle cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.
Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.
At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. The benefit of mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is those vaccinated gain this protection without ever having to risk the serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html
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you idiot.
that is a mechanism description for targeting the spike.
As opposed to targeting the RNA in the virus
 
It's looking more and more likely that vaccine prorection disappears within 6 months

Bombshell Study: Vaccine Protection Against COVID Infection And Viral Load ‘Vanishes’ Within 6 Months


Reports of plummeting vaccine effectiveness against current COVID-19 variants are proliferating. A new study assesses the viral load and risk of infection with COVID-19 is the same for a fully vaccinated person as it is for an unvaccinated person within just 180 days after the second vaccine dose. In the study, 84% of those testing positive in an Israeli hospital system were fully vaccinated.



The effectiveness of the 2-dose vaccines in reducing infectivity and viral loads was assessed from the 28th of June to 24th of August, 2021, by a team of scientists (Teifenbrun et al., 2021) using a sample of nearly 12,000 infected patients of Maccabi Healthcare Services in Israel.


About 84% (9,734 of 11,644) of those who tested positive during this period were fully (2-dose) vaccinated. Another 245 were infected with COVID-19 (“breakthrough infections,” or BTI) soon after obtaining the third “booster” shot – which only became available in the last month of the observation period.
The scientists report vaccine efficacy in preventing infection and severe symptoms precipitously declines after the first 2 months, and then it essentially “vanishes” within 6 months after the second shot. So, after just 180 days, a fully vaccinated person is no more protected against COVID than an unvaccinated person.


Furthermore, the researchers reported there was “no difference in Ct [cycle threshold, or viral load] between vaccinated and unvaccinated infected with Delta,” the most common COVID-19 variant during the June to August period.

What is going on in Vietnam? Australia?
Something curious is occurring in countries that experienced very low COVID-19 confirmed cases and deaths throughout the pre-vaccination stages of the pandemic.


Vietnam reported under 1,500 total cases and just 35 total deaths from March of 2020 to April of 2021. That’s a rate of about 0.09 COVID-19-related deaths per day.


Then a mass vaccination program began in Vietnam in late April (2021). By June, new cases began to percolate. By late August, Vietnam was enduring ~12,000 new cases per day and averaging 409 deaths per day.


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.29.21262798v1.full.pdf
 
WalterWilson said:
Said no medical scientist ever.

Acquired immunity has been debunked as a primary defense against Covid.

The Vaccines don't "hit the spike protein", they create it. Why don't you go do some actual research before you start parroting any more wrong information.

A Closer Look at How COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Work
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.
First, COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the muscle cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.
Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.
At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. The benefit of mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is those vaccinated gain this protection without ever having to risk the serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html
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The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.

https://www.science.org/content/art...er-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital
 
WalterWilson said:
Said no medical scientist ever.

Acquired immunity has been debunked as a primary defense against Covid.

The Vaccines don't "hit the spike protein", they create it. Why don't you go do some actual research before you start parroting any more wrong information.

A Closer Look at How COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Work
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.
First, COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the muscle cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.
Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.
At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. The benefit of mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is those vaccinated gain this protection without ever having to risk the serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html
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It appears you hit anatta in the nose.
 
anatta said:
you idiot.
that is a mechanism description for targeting the spike.
As opposed to targeting the RNA in the virus
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Right.... What part of this do you not get?

Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the muscle cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece.
 
anatta said:
you idiot.
that is a mechanism description for targeting the spike.
As opposed to targeting the RNA in the virus
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Rightt.... What part of this do you not get?

mRNA process instructs the cells to MAKE THE SPIKE PROTEIN. It doesn't previously exist in our bodies. There's nothing for it to "hit" or "target".

Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the muscle cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece

How the mRNA Vaccine Works

https://coronavirus.utah.gov/how-the-mrna-vaccine-works/

In the case of COVID-19, mRNA vaccines, when injected, give instructions to our cells to make the “spike protein.” The spike protein is a harmless piece of the virus, and in this case it’s found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19. When the vaccine is injected, the instructions then tell the cells to make a protein piece. These proteins can’t hurt us; they aren’t part of a replicating and exploding virus that destroys our cells and makes us sick. But the proteins are enough to trick our immune system into building up antibodies to protect us.\
 
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WalterWilson said:
Right.... What part of this do you not get?

Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the muscle cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece.
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and??
Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.
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now if you had bothered to read this out or do research,then the immune response is to make antibodies.
and what part of the virus does it (antibodies) target ? the spike -because that was the stimulative for the antibodies
 
Sorry, I don’t like playing Russian Roulette, natural immunity may have more protection, but it also has more chances of death. I don’t want to get the virus and find out. I’ll take the vaccines.
 
WalterWilson said:
So the government is trying to help big pharma, by spending government money to fund their delusions.

That's what you think?
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Yes, any card carrying Trumfuck bothole worth his salt kicks aside Occam's razor and constructs a cynical elaborate and convoluted conspiracy faster than Buzz Aldrin can stick a flag in the
moon to claim the whole rock for the USA.

I guess Republicans hate capitalism and want companies to work for free.
 
anatta said:
and??
now if you had bothered to read this out or do research,then the immune response is to make antibodies.
and what part of the virus does it (antibodies) target ? the spike -because that was the stimulative for the antibodies
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You're moving the goalposts. You said the vaccines "hit's the spike protein". It actually CREATES the spike protein. Try to keep up and stop deflecting to avoid the fact that you're not smart
 
WalterWilson said:
You're moving the goalposts. You said the vaccines "hit's the spike protein". It actually CREATES the spike protein. Try to keep up and stop deflecting to avoid the fact that you're not smart
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LMAO..
you post like a parrot, you cling to one phrase unable to understand the vaxx targets ("hits") the spike protein
thru antibodies made by exposure to the spike protein
 
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