why is Obama demanding outsourcing?

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Without warning, 30 federal agents with guns and bulletproof vests stormed our guitar factories in Tennessee. They shut down production, sent workers home, seized boxes of raw materials and nearly 100 guitars, and ultimately cost our company $2 million to $3 million worth of products and lost productivity. Why? We imported wood from India to make guitars in America….

The Aug 24 raid was authorized under the Lacey Act. Originally enacted as a means to curb the poaching of endangered species, the law bans wildlife and plants from being imported if, according to the interpretation of federal bureaucrats, the importation violates a law in the country of origin.

The fingerboards of our guitars are made with wood that is imported from India. The wood seized during the Aug. 24 raid, however, was from a Forest Stewardship Council-certified supplier, meaning the wood complies with FSC’s rules requiring that it be harvested legally and in compliance with traditional and civil rights, among other protections. Indian authorities have provided sworn statements approving the shipment, and U.S. Custom allowed the shipment to pass through America’s border and to our factories.

Nonetheless, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service decided to enforce its own interpretation of Indian law, arguing that because the fingerboards weren’t finished in India, they were illegal exports. In effect, the agency is arguing that to be in compliance with the law, Gibson must outsource the jobs of finishing craftsmen in Tennessee.

This is an overreach of government authority and indicative of the kinds of burdens the federal government routinely imposes on growing businesses. It also highlights a dangerous trend: an attempt to punish even paperwork errors with criminal charges and to regulate business activities through criminal law.
Policy wonks call this “overcriminalization.” I call it a job killer.

In America alone, there are over 4,000 federal criminal offenses. Under the Lacey Act, for instance, citizens and business owners also need to know – and predict how the U.S. federal government will interpret – the laws of nearly 200 other countries on the globe as well. Many business owners have inadvertently broken obscure and highly technical foreign laws, landing them in prison for things like importing lobster tails in plastic rather than cardboard packaging (the violation of that Honduran law earned one man an eight-year prison sentence). Cases like this make it clear that the justice system has strayed from its constitutional purpose like stopping the real bad guys from bringing harm.
 
DC is run by bureuacrats. Bureaucrats don't use common sense -they can't, they have to dig thru thousands of pages of regulations, passed by Congress, or administative laws judges.
DC is out of touch -always has been -the closer the gov't to the ppl, the more responsive they are.Thy have to be, because they are directly criticized/evaluated.
If you're a mayor, and tried this shit -you'd be directly impacted -proly not going to win re-elections. The size and scope of the Fed's permeate damn near everything.

if, according to the interpretation of federal bureaucrats, the importation violates a law in the country of origin.

The fingerboards of our guitars are made with wood that is imported from India. The wood seized during the Aug. 24 raid, however, was from a Forest Stewardship Council-certified supplier, meaning the wood complies with FSC’s rules requiring that it be harvested legally and in compliance with traditional and civil rights, among other protections. Indian authorities have provided sworn statements approving the shipment, and U.S. Custom allowed the shipment to pass through America’s border and to our factories.
idjits. we give so much power to faceless bureaurcrats. No surprise they use it, and interpret it as they wish.

I don't blame the bureaucrats, so much as allowing this much power to unelected officials. we set this up. then were surprised when an interpretation is obviously incorrect.
 
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I'm trying to figure out the gain here. What lobbying group benefits from this? What gain is there for an admin that needs more domestic jobs for re-election purposes?

It's weird to me, but who knows what motivates some of these decisions (aside from the obvious, money). Such a bogus, destructive use of tax dollars. I wish stories like this were bigger news...
 
I'm trying to figure out the gain here. What lobbying group benefits from this? What gain is there for an admin that needs more domestic jobs for re-election purposes?

It's weird to me, but who knows what motivates some of these decisions (aside from the obvious, money). Such a bogus, destructive use of tax dollars. I wish stories like this were bigger news...

If only Bain was associated with this company, then we could hear 1000 stories in the media about it.
 
If only Bain was associated with this company, then we could hear 1000 stories in the media about it.

Yeah, but the stories and ads would say that Romney called in the Feds himself thus closing yet another company while he was working on the Olympics. He's Superman.
 
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Without warning, 30 federal agents with guns and bulletproof vests stormed our guitar factories in Tennessee.
The Aug 24 raid was authorized under the Lacey Act.

This is like the manufactured outrage over the Amish farmers selling their unpasteurized milk over state lines.

It's not about wood on guitars or milk, it's about breaking the law.

Don't like the law?

Change it.

and quit the incessant whining!
 
This is like the manufactured outrage over the Amish farmers selling their unpasteurized milk over state lines.

It's not about wood on guitars or milk, it's about breaking the law.

Don't like the law?

Change it.

and quit the incessant whining!
I realize that you think you're the guardian of the left and need to attack every story some supposed right winger posts on here, but maybe you missed the part about where all of the INDIAN executives of the company stated that NO LAW WAS BROKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

so, would you care to revise your bullshit statement?
 
I'm trying to figure out the gain here. What lobbying group benefits from this? What gain is there for an admin that needs more domestic jobs for re-election purposes?

It's weird to me, but who knows what motivates some of these decisions (aside from the obvious, money). Such a bogus, destructive use of tax dollars. I wish stories like this were bigger news...

a page you might be interested in. http://www.overcriminalized.com/default.aspx
 
I realize that you think you're the guardian of the left and need to attack every story some supposed right winger posts on here, but maybe you missed the part about where all of the INDIAN executives of the company stated that NO LAW WAS BROKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

so, would you care to revise your bullshit statement?

i see howey ran away from this thread with tail tucked firmly between his legs.....
 
Obama administration extorts 300k from Gibson to settle for not breaking any laws

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...son-guitars-with-300g-fine-over-fingerboards/


The Justice Department announced Monday that it has resolved a long-running dispute with Gibson Guitar over questionable fingerboard shipments -- in a case that became a political flashpoint last year as defenders of the storied guitar-maker claimed the government crackdown went too far.

According to the department, Gibson entered a "criminal enforcement agreement" resolving the investigation. The federal government will not charge Gibson, but the company has apparently agreed to pay a $300,000 penalty, pay $50,000 to a federal conservation fund and withdraw claims to the valuable fingerboards that were seized in a series of federal raids.

"This criminal enforcement agreement goes a long way in demonstrating the government's commitment to protecting the world's natural resources," U.S. Attorney Jerry Martin said in a statement.

Gibson has not yet issued a statement on the agreement.

The company last year, though, was unrelenting in its criticism of the Obama administration.

The dispute centered on a law known as the Lacey Act, which since 2008 has made it illegal to import plant products, including wood, exported in violation of another country's laws. The law was updated in an effort to target illegal logging.

However, the series of federal raids on Gibson factories in 2009 and 2011 were prompted by an issue that went beyond conservation.

The shipments of wood from Madagascar and India were deemed illegal because they were unfinished -- something those countries prohibited. However, finished fingerboards presumably would have been legal. In the Indian case, court documents said one intercepted shipment was "falsely" labeled as finished when it wasn't.

Gibson CEO Henry Juszkiewicz said last year that the U.S. government essentially went after his company because the work wasn't being done in India.

nice job killing by the feds, and they made money on it as well.
 
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