Why so many sexual harassment cases in US, not UK?

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There are huge differences between UK and US media law - does this explain why more Americans are being accused of sexual harassment? On 5 October, Harvey Weinstein was accused of sexual abuse and the dam broke. Since then, dozens of well-known Americans have been accused of sexual misconduct of some kind. This isn't drip-drip. It's a flood. The list includes film stars such as Kevin Spacey, politicians such as Roy Moore, and journalists such as Mark Halperin.

The deluge of allegations swelled this week, engulfing big media names. While people in other countries have also been accused, the majority of cases are American. One reason could be US media law and how it differs from other countries. In the UK, there is a key point in libel law that explains a lot. When someone sues, they don't have to prove the story is wrong. The publisher - for example, the newspaper or website - has to prove their story is right.

This means, before publishing, the media needs a water-tight case. To accuse someone of sexual misconduct, they would normally need proof (such as a recording) or a witness prepared to testify in court. In cases of sexual misconduct, both things are hard to find. There were, for example, rumours of Jimmy Savile's sexual abuse for years. Louis Theroux even asked Savile about them in 2000. But the British media - worried about being sued - didn't publish. It wasn't until Savile died that ITV broke the story (in UK law, a dead person cannot be defamed).

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TV presenter Jimmy Savile sexually abused hundreds of people - mainly young females

jYou don't even need to name someone to be sued in the UK. In 2012, BBC Newsnight wrongly linked Lord McAlpine to child sex abuse, without naming him. He sued and within 13 days won £185,000 in damages.

Defamation in the UK - the main defences


In the US, it's far harder to sue for libel. The reason is 226 years old, but as relevant as ever. The first amendment to the US constitution - adopted in 1791 - protects freedom of speech and freedom of the press. It means American media law is "radically different" to the UK, says Stuart Karle, a professor at Columbia Journalism School in New York and former general counsel for the Wall Street Journal.

"In the US, the burden is on the plaintiff - the person alleging that he or she has been defamed - to prove the statement is false," he says.
So - compared to the UK - the burden of proof is flipped. Americans are less likely to sue, so US media are more likely to break the story.
Indeed, a New York Times editorial in May said "hardly anyone jousts with the (New York) Times when it comes to formally asserting libel".
And - for celebrities - there's another hurdle to clear when suing in the US.

When a public official (such as a government employee) or public figure (such as a celebrity) sues for libel, they must prove "actual malice".
"Actual malice basically means the journalist lied," says Professor Karle. "Either the journalist published a story they knew was false - or they acted with reckless disregard over whether it was true or false. "That basically means - you lied." But - despite the bar being higher - it doesn't mean American media has carte blanche. And, when they do get it wrong, it can cost millions of dollars.

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Louis CK admitted that sexual misconduct allegations made by five women were true In 2014, Rolling Stone magazine covered an alleged gang rape at the University of Virginia in 2012. The story was retracted in 2015 and a university official - who handled sexual assault cases - sued for defamation. She was awarded $3m in damages. Further back, a prosecutor sued the Philadelphia Inquirer over articles published in 1973. He won $34m.

"Sometimes you hear 'in the United States, reputation isn't valued'," says Professor Karle. "But the US laws are highly protective of reputation. The damages can be massive - far, far greater than one could get in the UK. "So you have more (defamation) cases in the UK and more stories that aren't published or broadcast. "But in the US, if a plaintiff wins, the potential damages are in the millions - or tens of millions."

For this reason - and for reasons of good journalism - American media often goes to great lengths to verify accusations. In their recent story about television presenter Charlie Rose, the Washington Post spoke to eight women - three of them on the record. In breaking the story about comedian Louis CK, the New York Times reported accusations from five women - four of them named. And - in an article about New York Times reporter Glenn Thrush - Vox writer Laura McGann recounted her own experience, interviewed three other women, and spoke to 40 people in the wider media.

Which system is better - the UK or the US - depends on your point of view. If you've been wrongly accused, you may yearn for the British system - where publishing is riskier. If you're a victim, you may prefer the US system - where the constitution protects freedom of speech. Either way, the effect is clear. The US has a flood of cases. In the UK, it remains drip-drip.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42070575
 
Of course one result of all this is that flirting by pretty women to get noticed and to seek favours at work will no longer happen. Men will be too shit scared that they are being set up by a bimbo to get some serious paydirt.
 
Of course one result of all this is that flirting by pretty women to get noticed and to seek favours at work will no longer happen. Men will be too shit scared that they are being set up by a bimbo to get some serious paydirt.

you know the funny thing is, men have stopped inviting women out after work for drinks and stuff. So all the male coworkers get together to shoot the shit and leave women out. Of course, women now have a problem with this too, because they say it hurts their careers not being able to socialize.

Women are stupid. Us men have to guide them to make the right decisions always, or they'll end up chasing their own tails.
 
you know the funny thing is, men have stopped inviting women out after work for drinks and stuff. So all the male coworkers get together to shoot the shit and leave women out. Of course, women now have a problem with this too, because they say it hurts their careers not being able to socialize.

Women are stupid. Us men have to guide them to make the right decisions always, or they'll end up chasing their own tails.
http://www.nber.org/digest/jan07/w12139.html
 
no one cares about bullshit gender studies majors. also school is catered towards feminine sensibilities. sitting, being quiet, doing what one is told. etc.
How many times have you been turned down? Have you finally given up knowing your mother is the only woman who will ever love you?
 
you know the funny thing is, men have stopped inviting women out after work for drinks and stuff. So all the male coworkers get together to shoot the shit and leave women out. Of course, women now have a problem with this too, because they say it hurts their careers not being able to socialize.

Women are stupid. Us men have to guide them to make the right decisions always, or they'll end up chasing their own tails.

There is some merit in what you say, much of the bonding and decisions about pecking order come about outside of work, if women excludes themselves from social events because men are shit scared that they will be targeted then tough shit.
 
As FDR was massing U.S. troops in preparation for the D-day invasion, the locals said of their American allies:

- they're over paid
- they're over sexed, &
- they're over here.
Why so many sexual harassment cases in US, not UK?
That's why.
 
As FDR was massing U.S. troops in preparation for the D-day invasion, the locals said of their American allies:

- they're over paid
- they're over sexed, &
- they're over here.

That's why.

They also said, talking about British women's knickers, "one Yank and they're off"
 
The OP is interesting, but misses the mark. It only addresses recourse against a publication. We still have slander laws. So if someone makes a false statement (Tawana Brawley) that is reported by the press...the publication is reporting the news. Brawley is the one that is guilty of slander, but I believe she was sued for defamation of character.

Is there no slander in Britain?
 
The OP is interesting, but misses the mark. It only addresses recourse against a publication. We still have slander laws. So if someone makes a false statement (Tawana Brawley) that is reported by the press...the publication is reporting the news. Brawley is the one that is guilty of slander, but I believe she was sued for defamation of character.

Is there no slander in Britain?

Slander and libel are both classified as defamation, here is something that explains the law in the UK.

http://www.urban75.org/info/libel.html
 
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