Why you can't draw great conclusions from the Ukraine videos.

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McRocket

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This video is from The Chieftain.
A well known and well respected 'expert' in the tank field.

Bottom line?
Making broad conclusions based on snippets of videos coming out of Ukraine is ludicrous.
And clearly for amateurs/MSM only.
Either pro or con Ukraine.
We will not know until LONG after the war is over what actually happened.

One interesting note I took from the video was that no video of a destroyed Russian tank from ANY means was equipped with Arena (their Active Protection System - similar to Trophy for US/Israeli/German tanks).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_(countermeasure)
So either Arena works great.
Or the Russians are not fielding tanks with it.
I am going with the former as I cannot fathom why they would not be sending Arena-equipped tanks into Ukraine.
If for no other reason - to test it in combat.
 
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McRocket said:
This video is from The Chieftain.
A well known and well respected 'expert' in the tank field.

Bottom line?
Making broad conclusions based on snippets of videos coming out of Ukraine is ludicrous.
And clearly for amateurs/MSM only.
Either pro or con Ukraine.
We will not know until LONG after the war is over what actually happened.

One interesting note I took from the video was that no video of a destroyed Russian tank from ANY means was equipped with Arena (their Active Protection System - similar to Trophy for US/Israeli/German tanks).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_(countermeasure)
So either Arena works great.
Or the Russians are not fielding tanks with it.
I am going with the former as I cannot fathom why they would not be sending Arena-equipped tanks into Ukraine.
If for no other reason - to test it in combat.
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Agreed on taking any info with a grain of salt. Oddly, I see mostly RWers denying Ukrainian claims, not Russian ones. Why do you think that is so?
 
We cant trust what our leaders say either, they lie to us all the time about even the most important things.

As for the Mind Molders (nee journalists)....forget about it.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
We cant trust what our leaders say either, they lie to us all the time about even the most important things.
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^ That is exactly what Trump ass-lickers said five weeks ago when Biden & Co. warned that Putin was preparing to invade Ukraine and war was imminent.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
That was one time the Regime was right/honest.
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That is a very huge thing to be wrong about.

It turns out Biden was the steely-eyed realist about Vlad Putin, while you were swallowing KGB propaganda, hook line and sinker.

Biden & Co.'s intelligence assessment of Putin's intentions and actions on Ukraine are arguably the greatest American intelligence success story of the 21st century.
 
Cypress said:
That is a very huge thing to be wrong about.

It turns out Biden was the steely-eyed realist about Vlad Putin, while you were swallowing KGB propaganda, hook line and sinker.

Biden & Co.'s intelligence assessment of Putin's intentions and actions on Ukraine are arguably the greatest American intelligence success story of the 21st century.
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Boy do you lay it on!
 
For the record I said several weeks before the operation started that XI had approved it...unlike a lot of other people I was not surprised. I also said that Putin would go big. My record for being right is very good.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
For the record I said several weeks before the operation started that XI had approved it...unlike a lot of other people I was not surprised. I also said that Putin would go big. My record for being right is very good.
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Your record for supporting dictators and authoritarianism is 100%.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed on taking any info with a grain of salt. Oddly, I see mostly RWers denying Ukrainian claims, not Russian ones. Why do you think that is so?
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We don’t see Russian claims in western media.
Naïveté is a defining characteristic of the left,
 
Hawkeye10 said:
For the record I said several weeks before the operation started that XI had approved it...unlike a lot of other people I was not surprised. I also said that Putin would go big. My record for being right is very good.
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Then you were just parroting Biden and his intel. Biden & Co., were warning about the military build up and invasion plans since at least early January.

So instead of taking the credit yourself for being correct, what actually happened is that you just trusted Biden's intel assessment.
 
Cypress said:
It turns out Biden was the steely-eyed realist about Vlad Putin .
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are you referring to the Biden who said a minor incursion might be ignored or the Biden who refused to cancel Russian oil until the rest of the world, including the demmycrats in the House, demanded it................just yesterday they suggested they might impose more sanctions......wtf?......why are there sanctions left we haven't already imposed.......
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed on taking any info with a grain of salt. Oddly, I see mostly RWers denying Ukrainian claims, not Russian ones. Why do you think that is so?
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Because they are no longer the GOP. They are the POP - Party of Putin.

Goddamed muthrrfukking traitors. Hang all of them. Fucker Carlson first.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Because they are no longer the GOP. They are the POP - Party of Putin.

Goddamed muthrrfukking traitors. Hang all of them. Fucker Carlson first.
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....or they were never Americans in the first place.

What will happen to Tucker "No one takes him seriously" Carlson after this is over?
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Because they are no longer the GOP. They are the POP - Party of Putin.

Goddamed muthrrfukking traitors. Hang all of them. Fucker Carlson first.
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....or they were never Americans in the first place.

What will happen to Tucker "No one takes him seriously" Carlson after this is over?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
....or they were never Americans in the first place.

What will happen to Tucker "No one takes him seriously" Carlson after this is over?
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It's hard to believe Carlson's ratings haven't plummeted and advertisers haven't bailed on him since he said he was "Rootin' for Putin".
 
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