Supercandy afraid of reality puts those who speak truth on Ignore...zygote not child!
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that is why the issue is not cut and dry and is in fact complex despite what some rabid left wingers on this site claim.
There's nothing complex about when an unborn child becomes viable (can live outside the womb). The issue is choice - the mother's. Try to keep up.
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there you go again with your immature rabid far left wing talk. even mott understands that the issue is not as simple as you would like to have us believe. you ran away from my post yesterday discussing your claims that women do in fact go through intense emotional anguish over what to do. if it was as simple as you claim, there would be no anguish.
the fact remains, if it is a human, then why should just the mother get to decide? using your logic, i should get to decide to kill anyone i want.
Emotional anguish over the decision isn't due to the complexity of whether or not there's a baby inside of the mother. You're an idiot for purporting such nonsense.
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what is the complexity for then? are you claiming to speak for all women who have had or thought about having an abortion? because you sure as heck seem to do so by stating i am an idiot for thinking that. how the fuck do you know what all women think?
Do you know the difference between anguish and complexity? Apparently not.
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I am completely against late term abortions except for life threatening conditions. The cutoff point for me is 22 weeks.
That's nice. Be sure you never get an abortion after 22 weeks, then.
no it isn't. the issue is not choice. the issue is when personhood begins. If a woman actually had a full fledged autonomous sentient child inside them they would be committing murder. As it stands, that's not the case. It's not a fully developed human and it's not sentient.
Only if the egg is fertilized would this be a fair comparison; when fertilized the egg contains an embryonic chicken, or a "chick". Basically a baby chicken. A human zygote, being a fertilized egg, is a unique human life.
This isn't hard to understand and is part of almost any 6th Grader's Life Science textbook.
Where the pro-abortionist seems to diverge from facts is when they start getting into measuring the value of that life. The argument of whether it is a unique human life is already answered. One may argue that it is valueless until it is somehow magically imparted with whatever measure they call "personhood"... or one can believe that it has value regardless, or because we cannot be sure of, the magical moment of "person" or "soul infusion"... some measure this by "viability" which is a silly measure, that human life will have many years of dependence even after they are born, hence the idea of "viability" is simply a different level of medical necessity. Some babies born will need medical assistance, should they not be considered human? It's actually quite a foolish measure.
Some religions measure it by sentience, others believe that the "soul" is infused at the moment of conception...
Either way it is just another divergent way of defining the value of that life, not arguing that the life doesn't exist at all or isn't human.
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It's the law in the UK!!
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no surprise you can't explain what the complexity is. and btw, a complex moral issue or what not can in fact cause anguish.
now, are you going to actually enlighten as how the anguish is not complex and why they go through so much (your words) before making the decision if it is not a complex issue?
nice dodge of my other questions. ironic given you're whining about SF doing the very same thing.
The issue is choice. The issue of the unborn's personhood is what the christ-y whackjobs use in order to subvert what is obvious: until an unborn child is viable (can live outside the womb) it is 100% the dominion of its mother. 'Viable' is the equivalent to your criteria of autonomous. Sentience isn't a factor; viability is.
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So you are happy to abort virtually full term babies?
Goody.
Of course not. Who would be 'happy' to do so?
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then a person who cannot live without medical machines is the dominion of the hospital....right?
Are they? You tell me.
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can you address the questions in post 33?
i asked YOU because you are the one talking about viability and living without the need for the mother. why can't you answer the question? afraid your morals will be shown to bankrupt and contradictory?