Why there is no such thing as objective morality.

[Hume]

First, the term "objective morality" and too many meanings and is too vague to have a real sense.

Objective does not mean true, as there are things objectively false.

 

[Cypress]

It's simple. It just means there is an absolute right and wrong, independent of opinion, consensus, or cultural norms.

 

[Hume]

It's simple. It just means there is an absolute right and wrong, independent of opinion, consensus, cultural norms.

So, it being "absolute" is your subjective opinion. Otherwise, you would present an argument.

 

[Hume]

If morality is not objective, we still have morality.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

So, it being "absolute" is your subjective opinion. Otherwise, you would present an argument.

An example of absolute right v. wrong would be wanton murder. There is no realistic way to argue that murdering someone because you want to is anything other than wrong.

 

[Hume]

An example of absolute right v. wrong would be wanton murder. There is no realistic way to argue that murdering someone because you want to is anything other than wrong.

Okay, but nothing to do with objectivity. Every nation has laws.

 

[Hume]

An example of absolute right v. wrong would be wanton murder. There is no realistic way to argue that murdering someone because you want to is anything other than wrong.

There are objective truths and objective falsehoods.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Okay, but nothing to do with objectivity. Every nation has laws.

It doesn't take a law to know that murder is wrong. It takes a law to allow government to deal with the murder rather than the members of society directly.

 

[Cypress]

So, it being "absolute" is your subjective opinion. Otherwise, you would present an argument.

The guilt felt by mentally healthy adults is your conscience telling you there is an absolute standard of right and wrong, independent of laws, opinions, consensus. Murder, cheating, lying, rape, theft are examples.

Martin Luther King's letter from a Birmingham jail, and the Nuremburg trials both invoked objective morality in a way that is crystal clear and self evident to every healthy sentient adult.

 

[Hume]

It doesn't take a law to know that murder is wrong. It takes a law to allow government to deal with the murder rather than the members of society directly.

So, morality is opinion?

 

[Hume]

The guilt felt by mentally healthy adults is your conscience telling you there is an absolute standard of right and wrong

Seems speculative. Care to provide evidence?

 

[Hume]

Martin Luther King's letter from a Birmingham jail, and the Nuremburg trials both invoked objective morality

What does the letter have to do with morality being objective?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

So, morality is opinion?

Morality is something that is nearly universally accepted. Or, are you trying to tell us that murder is acceptable within society simply because it cannot be quantified or something?

 

[Hume]

Morality is something that is nearly universally accepted. Or, are you trying to tell us that murder is acceptable within society simply because it cannot be quantified or something?

I am arguing against referring to morality as objective.

 

[Cypress]

What does the letter have to do with morality being objective?

Martin Luther King articulated that there is a moral law higher than the laws of men, higher than the opinions of men. Everyone recognized that Martin Luther King, and also the lawyers at the Nuremberg trials were invoking an objective morality, and nobody was confused about it.

 

[Hume]

Martin Luther King articulated that there is a moral law higher than the laws of men, higher than the opinions of men. Everyone recognized that Martin Luther King, and also the lawyers at the Nuremberg trials were invoking an objective morality, and nobody was confused about it.

You keep saying it is not about the Christian religion, but use Christians to make your point.

 

[Neoclitorus]

First, the term "objective morality" and too many meanings and is too vague to have a real sense.

Objective does not mean true, as there are things objectively false.

But some behaviors lead to thriving more than others.

 

[Neoclitorus]

Martin Luther King articulated that there is a moral law higher than the laws of men, higher than the opinions of men. Everyone recognized that Martin Luther King, and also the lawyers at the Nuremberg trials were invoking an objective morality, and nobody was confused about it.

Men are rational enough to figure out basic morality.

You're just doing your mason thing and trying to keep morality religious and vague, so you people can keep doing your gay wars.

 

[Cypress]

You keep saying it is not about the Christian religion, but use Christians to make your point.

Incorrect. I specifically and intentionally used the example of the Nuremberg trials because I have no idea what the religious beliefs were, if any, of the American, British, and Soviet lawyers and judges.

 

[Hume]

But some behaviors lead to thriving more than others.

Agree. But that has nothing to do with objectivity.