Head of Hamas government in Gaza eliminated

[FastLane]

Hamas murdered more than 1,200 Israelis during the attack. Over a year later, Hamas is still holding over 50 men and women — including five Americans — captive in the terror tunnels in Gaza.

Israeli infants were murdered, burned alive and beheaded.

In front of their parents

 

[FastLane]

Indeed…except that coward is hiding in Canada, some have said on this open forum.

He should keep an eye out for drones.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

There are arrest warrants issued for the Israeli leadership.

Well, you've got to admit it's hard to issue arrest warrants for the heads of Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, etc., when Israel keeps killing them off...

 

[IBDaMann]

While I'm not interested in entering the deep waters of the Israel/Hamas/Iran discussion,

I noticed. You are wise. I imagine you are in the same rough situation. Being a Christian, your "community" goes hard-line in one direction, and that direction is not "let's take a dispassionate view of what the Geneva Conventions have to say" but rather "God's chosen people were attacked again by the Philistines and it's about time Israel vanquishes its [demonized] enemies." I get it. It was the same propaganda on which I was raised and to which my family subscribed.

At one point I was required to study the Geneva Conventions and the "God's chosen people" doctrine ceased to hold sway. Otherwise, I don't support anyone in that region ... except for lawful noncombatants, as the US is supposed to be doing by treaty.

So yes, I feel for you. I understand what you're going through. If you'll recall, I have a family member who got involved in crypto. That same family member is a full-on member of Team Israel as well for similar reasons.

I do have a hard time not responding to anything that pertains to accounting, especially the particular past exchange that you are referencing here. I see no reason to believe that he was pretending to be an accountant (as he displayed knowledge of what accounting is and how it works).

If you'll recall, he claimed authority based on his brother being an accountant. I was merely referencing his insistence on matters for which he is far from being an expert.

I also think that you are fairly knowledgeable about accounting. However, the part that you got wrong at the time was your adamant position that accounting absolutely requires the usage of a currency.

Accounting, per the rules of accounting for any certifying body, requires a currency. Net worth has to be measured in some currency, otherwise all you have is bartering and inventory statements.

The variables in the accounting equation: Assets - Liabilities = Net_Worth are of some currency as the unit of measure. If your assets, liabilities and net worth are all in chickens, then chickens are your currency.

Accounting can still be done without using dollars or yen or rubles or whatever else.

How do you roll up the above equation without a currency? How do you fill out your balance sheet?

 

[IBDaMann]

[Iran via their proxy Al Qassam] murdered more than 1,200 Israelis during the attack. Over a year later, Hamas [are all dead and Al Qassam] is still holding over 50 men and women — including five Americans — captive [somewhere outside of] Gaza.

Israeli infants were murdered, burned alive and beheaded.

FTFY.

 

[IBDaMann]

Well, you've got to admit it's hard to issue arrest warrants for the heads of Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, etc., when Israel keeps killing them off...

Yes, exactly. And don't forget to include "unarmed Arab civilian noncombatants".

 

[volsrocks]

There are arrest warrants issued for the Israeli leadership.

So when are u going to make your citizen arrest

Because no one else is going to


And Hamas leaders are not arrested they are KILLED....

 

[Earl]

I think Moon should get the position.

Indeed.

 

[Earl]

In front of their parents

Yes…barbaric.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Yes, exactly. And don't forget to include "unarmed Arab civilian noncombatants".

I don't think anyone was going to issue arrest warrants for them.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I think Moon should get the position.

Moon needs to assume the position...

 

[Earl]

FTFY.

FTFY
HAMAS is committed to armed resistance against Israel and to the creation of a Palestinian state, and the group has engaged in several rounds of violent conflict with Israel. The most recent began on 7 October 2023, when HAMAS launched a massive surprise attack against Israel, killing nearly 1,200 people.

 

[serendipity]

Israel declared war on Gaza solely to effect the 2nd Nakba, a racist genocide, not because Gaza had somehow attacked them. It was Iran that attacked Israel via its proxy, Al Qassam, who is not affiliated with Hamas.

Israel is committing a genocide because they HATE Arabs. Israel used Iran's attack as a horrid premise to eradicate Arabs. It is absurd for you to insinuate that Gazan civilian noncombatants somehow participated in any "war effort" other than being slaughtered by the IDF in the course of Israel's 2nd Nakba.


Just because Hamas never attacked Israel, and just because Iran actually attacked Israel, doesn't change the racial nature of Israel's genocide of Gazans.


Nope. Good luck showing that to be the case. It's totally absurd. Only other deluded members of Team Israel will buy that. Iran only funds the Ayatollah's bidding and no one else's.


Absurd. Hamas is a government organization dedicated to keeping Gaza operating. Hamas has no money and no military. Al Qassam is not affiliated with Hamas. Al Qassam is a proxy of Iran and only carries out the Supreme Leader's bidding.

It's patently obvious that this twat is just another troll, ignore the fucker.

 

[Earl]

It's patently obvious that this twat is just another troll, ignore the fucker.

Agree, Havana.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes you do. You HATE Arabs and you crave for the IDF to eradicate them.

Mantra 1e. Mantra 30a. Lame.

You don't want to sound petty, murderous and genocidal, however, so you are more or less required to insist that unarmed Gazan civilian noncombatants somehow "started" the war, or that Iran suddenly decided to loan out Al Qassam for free, all to imply that Israel somehow did not initiate a genocidal 2nd Nakba against unarmed civilian noncombatants.

Hamas started the latest war with Israel.

Let me know how that works for you.

Sure didn't work out well for Hamas!

There is no Palestine.

There certainly is! Read the article here.

We're talking about Gazans.

...and Hamas.

Israel HATES their Arab neighbors, especially the Gazans,

That tends to happen when Hamas keeps firing rockets at Israel, and launched an attack upon Israel.

because they are so close that the Israelis can still smell their odor and find it insufferable.

What 'odor' is this, IBD? You said these people don't exist! You are still locked in that paradox. You are still being irrational.

You acknowledge that the Gazans have no capability to attack anyone, seeing as how they have no money and no army, yet you are required to OBEY Israeli propaganda that Gazans, not well-funded Iranian proxies, somehow initiated the war, somehow justifying the IDF to slaughter the lot of them ... as long as Israel occasionally announces that they took out "a Hamas leader." To that end, of course you don't care how many Arab children are wasted, alas, you want more, more, more. You actively celebrate Arab deaths. You're pretty shitty in that regard.

You are still locked in that paradox too. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox, IBD. It's irrational.

Nope. It's a genocide, initiated and perpetrated on the Gazans by the Israelis. The Geneva Conventions and the Convention against Genocide are being violated thoroughly by the IDF.

There is no genocide.

Right, you are asking me to prove a negative.

Fallacy fallacy. A positive statement is not a negative. The word "isn't" does NOT necessarily create a negative statement. YOU made the positive claim. He is asking you to "prove" it (probably by a Holy Link or something).

Al Qassam is a radical, militant proxy of Iran, and Iran does not have its proxies doing anyone's bidding but the Ayatollah's. You are the one making the absurd assertion that Al Qassam is somehow submitting to the will of Hamas! You need to show this, and not by merely pointing to mere commentary by others who are equally mistaken as you are.

He never said it is submitting to the will of Hamas, IBD. Mantra 30a.

You are the one who doesn't know what the legal definition of "genocide" is, but you are about to learn.

There is no genocide. English is not defined by a "legal" anything.

Israel, the United States and almost every other country is a signatory to Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide and is henceforth required to adhere to this convention.

Hamas is not a signatory of the Convention. There is no genocide.

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

The IDF's genocide meets this definition in multiple ways with many counts each, ... and only one is sufficient. The Convention goes on to read:

So, according to you (by committing a contextomy fallacy, no less), ALL wars are "genocide".

Article III The following acts shall be punishable:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.

Article IV Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III shall be punished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals.

Now you know. Israel signed up to this very definition, as did the United States, and they both signed up to punish all those who violate this Convention. The extent to which you disagree with this Convention is irrelevant.

Contextomy fallacy. There is no genocide.

The Contracting Parties,
* Having considered the declaration made by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its resolution 96 (I) dated 11 December 1946 that genocide is a crime under international law, contrary to the spirit and aims of the United Nations and condemned by the civilized world,
* Recognizing that at all periods of history genocide has inflicted great losses on humanity, and
* Being convinced that, in order to liberate mankind from such an odious scourge, international co-operation is required,
Hereby agree as hereinafter provided :

Article I The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.

Once again, both Israel and the US signed up for this.

Contextomy fallacy. There is no genocide.

Exactly. You don't get to make up your own definitions.

Inversion fallacy.

It stands non-rebutted.

Assumption of victory fallacy. Argument of the Stone fallacy.

You have not. You provided merely an internet link to those mistaken propaganda purevyors who do your thinking for you. You need to show either the money flow or an announcement from Iran that they are allowing Hamas to use their proxies.

Try English. It works better. You are still locked in this paradox.

 

[Into the Night]

Hamas is a political organization that has never attacked Israel.

Blatant lie (denial).

Israel, however, HAS perpetrated genocide against Gazans,

There is no genocide.

whereas you baselessly claim that Hamas has expressed a desire to defend themselves against Israeli aggression.

Hamas DOES have the inherent right to defend themselves, just as all people and nations do, including Israel.

Wow. You aren't painting a rosy picture of Israel.


On 7 October 2023, IRAN attacked Israel via its proxy Al Qassam (not affiliated with Hamas in any way), killing nearly 1,200 people.

Hamas, dude. Hamas.

Nope. I'd like to see you show this. If you try, all you'll discover is Iran's intricate and covert funding network designed to circumvent all the laws throughout the Americas, Asia, and Europe to thwart the financing of terrorism.

Irrelevant. Strawman fallacy.

Hamas has no money and no army. I welcome you to try to show otherwise.

You are still locked in this paradox. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox. Which is it, dude??

 

[Into the Night]

I noticed. You are wise. I imagine you are in the same rough situation. Being a Christian, your "community" goes hard-line in one direction, and that direction is not "let's take a dispassionate view of what the Geneva Conventions have to say" but rather "God's chosen people were attacked again by the Philistines and it's about time Israel vanquishes its [demonized] enemies." I get it. It was the same propaganda on which I was raised and to which my family subscribed.

Yet another paradox. You CANNOT ARGUE BOTH SIDES OF A PARADOX, IBD! It's irrational!

At one point I was required to study the Geneva Conventions and the "God's chosen people" doctrine ceased to hold sway. Otherwise, I don't support anyone in that region ... except for lawful noncombatants, as the US is supposed to be doing by treaty.

What "treaty"???

So yes, I feel for you. I understand what you're going through. If you'll recall, I have a family member who got involved in crypto. That same family member is a full-on member of Team Israel as well for similar reasons.

You are still locked in this paradox.

If you'll recall, he claimed authority based on his brother being an accountant. I was merely referencing his insistence on matters for which he is far from being an expert.

"Expert" worship. False authority fallacy. Bulverism. Attempted negative proof fallacy.

Accounting, per the rules of accounting for any certifying body,

"Expert" worship. Accounting does NOT define any currency. Accounting does NOT require any "certifying body". You seem to be confusing a CPA with accounting.

requires a currency. Net worth has to be measured in some currency, otherwise all you have is bartering and inventory statements.

Currency IS barter. It is a medium of barter. That is what gives any currency it's value. Currency is also a unit of account, but oddly enough, accounting does NOT require a currency!

The variables in the accounting equation: Assets - Liabilities = Net_Worth are of some currency as the unit of measure. If your assets, liabilities and net worth are all in chickens, then chickens are your currency.

Currency's value is related to the faith in that currency, not because of any accountants.

How do you roll up the above equation without a currency?

No "equation". Void argument fallacy.

How do you fill out your balance sheet?

Same as always. You specify your total assets (what you own) and your total liabilities (what you owe).
Oddly enough, no currency is required to create a balance sheet. Sure, it's messier, but it's still a balance sheet.

You can specify ALL of your accounting in items directly bartered for something else. No currency needed!

 

[IBDaMann]

I don't think anyone was going to issue arrest warrants for them.

I think you are correct. It's always easier to kill someone than to arrest and prosecute.

 

[Into the Night]

Moon needs to assume the position...

A full moon?

 

[Into the Night]

I think you are correct. It's always easier to kill someone than to arrest and prosecute.

Especially in a war.