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Why is educating about Tubman bad?
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Guno צְבִי
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
It's like If Germany put up monuments to hitler, goering, goebbels after defeat. We sure don't need that to remind us of history
Exactly! I don’t understand how it’s any different.
Dutch Uncle
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Sad about Chris. Mob IQs have an inverse correlation to their size. From the link:Not sure about the Left destroying the history but here's where it bit some guy in the ass.
Chris' Journey | One year after a Confederate statue hit Chris Green in Portsmouth, he fights his way back from a traumatic brain injury.
Chris Green suffered a traumatic brain injury when a Confederate statue fell on him during a protest in Portsmouth in 2020. He ended up in a coma.www.13newsnow.com
“I will say right now he has a mind of a 13-year-old because one of the major impacts was his communication, his understanding, and problem-solving,” said Brisbane-Green. “He doesn’t have that capacity like he used to, it causes me to make all the decisions best for him, our kids, and our family.”
Chris is blind in one eye and lost his hearing in one ear, but he’s making progress. He’s learning how to eat and walk again, and his speech is slowly coming back.
Better, IMO, to protest and push for building context. Add more monuments and displays, not tear down.
There’s still history Dutch, don’t be ridiculous.
The White racists just won’t have their heroes memorialized. If they’re upset about it, oh, well. They told the slaves and blacks to move on, maybe they should as well.
DEI will return because it’s what’s fair and right. The racists will have to get over that as well.
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
They were, and long after the war ended, many during the Jim Crow era. The Confederates were seen as heroes in the South, at least to white people.
Dutch Uncle
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Disagreed since most Confederate soldiers were simply defending their country like Robert E. Lee did. Lee was against slavery and only up to 20% of Southerners, the equivalent of Trump's Elite, owned slaves. The hundreds of thousands of Southerners who died in the War of Northern Aggression were defending their country from invaders, not defending their right to own slaves.
Fact check: Stat grossly misleading about slave ownership in 1860
A Twitter post from 2019, reshared on Facebook in 2021, claims 1.6% of US citizens owned slaves in 1860. That downplays slave ownership at that time.
www.usatoday.com
The U.S. had 395,216 slaveholders at that time, so about 1.4% of free people were classified as slave owners in the 1860 census, according to data archived by the Integrated Public Use Microdata Series at the University of Minnesota....
...Using total population as a reference point also includes babies and children, for example, said Stephanie McCurry, history professor at Columbia University. Doing so is “clearly designed to make that form of property seem marginal. It wasn’t,” she said.
Evaluating the share of households that owned slaves in seceding states is “a much more effective means,” said Joseph Glatthaar, history professor at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill. In 1860, nearly 20% of households in seceding states owned slaves, he said.
Dutch Uncle
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IIRC, 1920s and 1930s. Almost 100 years ago. Now, there's nothing to show about the era of the Civil War, Jim Crow and other actions that made our nation, warts and all.
Remember the calls to tear down the slave-owner Thomas Jefferson memorial? Why not tear it down along with Robert E. Lee's?
Since we're talking about history, let's not forget the bad taste Reconstruction left in the mouths of all Southerners. While Lincoln had an honest plan, his assassination left it to Yankee industrialists to push an oppressive agenda on the South, much of which was destroyed in the War.
My main point is that healing is better than pushing for division and sweeping pain under a rug as if it doesn't exist.
Libhater
Verified User
Those white racists, i.e. the KKK were all democrats, and as they were racists back in the day...they're still racists today.
“Defending their country”. No Dutch, that’s where you are WAY off base. Confederate soldiers were fighting against the United States of America. That was their country.Disagreed since most Confederate soldiers were simply defending their country like Robert E. Lee did. Lee was against slavery and only up to 20% of Southerners, the equivalent of Trump's Elite, owned slaves. The hundreds of thousands of Southerners who died in the War of Northern Aggression were defending their country from invaders, not defending their right to own slaves.
At the time, the total U.S. population was about 31.4 million, including more than 3.9 million slaves. That left about 27.5 million free people in the U.S., according to 1860 data from the U.S. Census Bureau.Fact check: Stat grossly misleading about slave ownership in 1860
A Twitter post from 2019, reshared on Facebook in 2021, claims 1.6% of US citizens owned slaves in 1860. That downplays slave ownership at that time.www.usatoday.com
The U.S. had 395,216 slaveholders at that time, so about 1.4% of free people were classified as slave owners in the 1860 census, according to data archived by the Integrated Public Use Microdata Series at the University of Minnesota....
...Using total population as a reference point also includes babies and children, for example, said Stephanie McCurry, history professor at Columbia University. Doing so is “clearly designed to make that form of property seem marginal. It wasn’t,” she said.
Evaluating the share of households that owned slaves in seceding states is “a much more effective means,” said Joseph Glatthaar, history professor at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill. In 1860, nearly 20% of households in seceding states owned slaves, he said.
The argument they were defending their country is bullshit.
Dutch Uncle
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This is my point. Reference the Shelby Foote quote above. Their country was their state. In 1860 the United States was akin to the European Union, a grouping of autonomous countries linked with a single document. In our case the Constitution and, as wise people have stated before, "the seeds of the Civil War" were planted in the Constitution. I'm not saying it was right. I'm just saying what is historically true.
Again, I see your attacks on me and the South as no different than the attacks Trump and his white nationalist assholse are making on DEI and other civil rights advancements. Their actions are backlash. Backlash occurs when a group of people feel they've been wronged.
Unity creates healing. Understanding history allows one to learn context. Destroying things promotes division and nothing is learned except hate and reprisals.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Or you'll beat it into submission. Yeah, I get it, Phan.
While I agree what is fair and right will return, the damage done in the meantime could have been avoided by seeking unity and healing instead of reprisals and destruction.
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
My fellow teachers have known me for many many years...my last twenty were at the same school....They know exactly who I am... Not a single thing I post here would surprise anyone.... let alone offend them... They've known about this place since the threat to come to school and the pool...
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More frantic, distraught insistence on a fable. Maybe we should put your b.s. to the test? I bet that joke about the Black guy going to the unemployment office would be a great hit. And calling the urban kids "thugs"? They'll love that! What about all the trash talk about VP Harris? Saying JPPers are having "meltdowns" and are "psychotic"?
So tell us, Toxic, how can "they know about this place" (JPP) when the alleged threat -- which wasn't one -- was made years before you followed me here? As I recall, you blew up a casual comment made by Lisa E., who you also stalked and doxed, into a "threat" to come to your school. Remember why she made that comment? Because YOU were threatening to tell various Amazon posters' employers that they were supposedly posting on company time. In fact, you and/or one of your clique did try to get C. Batty in trouble for that. She just laughed at you sicko stalkers. Do you think that your fictitious colleagues would enjoy your posts about sending your pretend "Black husband" out to California so Lisa E. could hook him up with a Black woman to have sex with? You thought that was the funniest thing. Alcohol does that.
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More frantic, distraught insistence on a fable. Maybe we should put your b.s. to the test? I bet that joke about the Black guy going to the unemployment office would be a great hit. And calling the urban kids "thugs"? They'll love that! What about all the trash talk about VP Harris? Saying JPPers are having "meltdowns" and are "psychotic"?
So tell us, Toxic, how can "they know about this place" (JPP) when the alleged threat -- which wasn't one -- was made years before you followed me here? As I recall, you blew up a casual comment made by Lisa E., who you also stalked and doxed, into a "threat" to come to your school. Remember why she made that comment? Because YOU were threatening to tell various Amazon posters' employers that they were supposedly posting on company time. In fact, you and/or one of your clique did try to get C. Batty in trouble for that. She just laughed at you sicko stalkers. Do you think that your fictitious colleagues would enjoy your posts about sending your pretend "Black husband" out to California so Lisa E. could hook him up with a Black woman to have sex with? You thought that was the funniest thing. Alcohol does that.
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
Sorry, but to most people who are glad that the country was reunified, Confederate statues are the very epitome of divisiveness. They honor the bloody attempt to cut the nation asunder and protect slavery as an institution The current MAGAT focus on "state's rights," by which they mean states being able to enact draconian laws w/o federal oversight (like abortion, for one) is a direct result of the Civil War and the desire to become a separate nation.
The Jefferson statues are not a good comparison. Yes, he owned slaves. But he was also much, much more than that. The Confederates? Not so much.
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
Guno צְבִי
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
So why were the monuments put up in the early 1900's and for what purpose?Disagreed since most Confederate soldiers were simply defending their country like Robert E. Lee did. Lee was against slavery and only up to 20% of Southerners, the equivalent of Trump's Elite, owned slaves. The hundreds of thousands of Southerners who died in the War of Northern Aggression were defending their country from invaders, not defending their right to own slaves.
At the time, the total U.S. population was about 31.4 million, including more than 3.9 million slaves. That left about 27.5 million free people in the U.S., according to 1860 data from the U.S. Census Bureau.Fact check: Stat grossly misleading about slave ownership in 1860
A Twitter post from 2019, reshared on Facebook in 2021, claims 1.6% of US citizens owned slaves in 1860. That downplays slave ownership at that time.www.usatoday.com
The U.S. had 395,216 slaveholders at that time, so about 1.4% of free people were classified as slave owners in the 1860 census, according to data archived by the Integrated Public Use Microdata Series at the University of Minnesota....
...Using total population as a reference point also includes babies and children, for example, said Stephanie McCurry, history professor at Columbia University. Doing so is “clearly designed to make that form of property seem marginal. It wasn’t,” she said.
Evaluating the share of households that owned slaves in seceding states is “a much more effective means,” said Joseph Glatthaar, history professor at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill. In 1860, nearly 20% of households in seceding states owned slaves, he said.
The biggest surge in Confederate monument construction occurred in the early 1900s, coinciding with the Jim Crow era and the rise of white supremacist ideologies, with the United Daughters of the Confederacy playing a key role.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
- Timing:
The majority of Confederate monuments were erected between the 1890s and 1950s, with a significant spike between 1900 and the 1920s.
- Context:
This period saw the implementation of Jim Crow laws in the South, which aimed to disenfranchise Black Americans and re-segregate society.
- Purpose:
These monuments were not primarily about mourning or honoring Confederate soldiers, but rather about reinforcing white supremacy and the Lost Cause narrative, which downplayed the role of slavery in the Civil War. - https://www.history.com/articles/how-the-u-s-got-so-many-confederate-monuments
Libhater
Verified User
Just keep in mind that you being the anti white leftist racist of today means that you share the anti black KKK racism of the past in
that those white supremacists of the past were democrats.