Head of Hamas government in Gaza eliminated

[IBDaMann]

Hamas was created in 1987.

Al Qassam was formed in 1991. They are a different organization. Iran established Al Qassam as a militant terrorist proxy to assist in destroying Israel. Al Qassam was never affiliated with the political party Hamas.

It is not part of Iran, though they often receive funding from Iran.

Hamas has never received any funding from Iran. Al Qassam receives regular funding of $100 million annually from Iran, while Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad receive $700 million and $30 million annually from Iran respectively. Hamas is Gaza's administrators. Al Qassam is the militant killing organization that is well funded by Iran.

IBD is locked in three paradoxes (which are K, L, and M in my records) concerning this subject. He continues to try to argue both sides of each one. It's quite irrational.

These are not high points of your honesty.

K1) Hamas exists.
K2) Hamas does not exist.

I never argued this. You wouldn't be able to support this assertion.

L1) Hamas is funded by Iran.
L2) Hamas doesn't exist.

I never claimed that Hamas is funded by Iran. I have always maintained that Al Qassam is the organization that is funded by Iran, and you know this.

M1) There is genocide.
M2) There is no genocide.

When are you claiming that I asserted that the IDF is somehow not perpetrating genocide per the definition in the Convention against Genocide?

You have resorted to blatant lying, and projecting it. Disappointing.

 

[IBDaMann]

Assumption of victory fallacy.

It's not a fallacy. You forfeited. I had nothing to do with that.

 

[IBDaMann]

Hamas and its formation predates the fall of Iran to the Ayatollahs

Correct. Hamas is not Al Qassam. In 1991, Iran established Al Qassam, which is not Hamas (Hamas already existed and was not affiliated with Iran in any way). Iran wanted a militant terrorist organization to bolster its efforts to destroy Israel.

Hamas, on the other hand, was formed in 1987, as a civilian charity, that became a political party that provided Gaza's administrators. As a charitable organization, Hamas has always relied on donations/contributions, and they have always been essentially broke. Hamas has no military and no weapons.

Hamas is not Al Qassam. The two are not affiliated.

not to mention that Hamas, and the Al Qassam brigades, predate that and can be traced back to the 70's.

Nope. Al Qassam was formed in 1991 by Iran. Iran has been Israel's only attacker.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Correct. Hamas is not Al Qassam. In 1991, Iran established Al Qassam, which is not Hamas (Hamas already existed and was not affiliated with Iran in any way). Iran wanted a militant terrorist organization to bolster its efforts to destroy Israel.

Hamas controls Al Qassam. Show me proof of anything different.

For example, in 2021 Mohammed Deif and Yahya Sinwar, one of the highest ranking Hamas officials inside Gaza was in command of the Al Qassam brigades.

Who are the Leaders of Hamas’ Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades?

Israel has responded to the onslaught of Hamas rocket fire with a tactical campaign targeting leaders of the Iran-backed terror group in the Gaza Strip, including Mohammed Deif and Yahya Sinwar, the highest ranking Hamas officials inside Gaza. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has unsuccessfully...

www.counterextremism.com

Institute for the Study of War

The al Qassem Brigades are the military component of Hamas and the means by which Hamas seeks to destroy the Israeli state and form an Islamic state in Palestine. Hamas is a highly organized group that views terrorism and military action as the only

www.understandingwar.org

What is Hamas’s armed wing, the Qassam Brigades?

Gaza-based Qassam Brigades has been waging an armed resistance against Israeli occupation since its founding in 1992.

www.aljazeera.com

EVERYBODY EXCEPT YOU says that the Al Qassam brigades are part of Hamas and commanded by leadership within Hamas. YOU singly say different and offer not one goddamned shred of proof to back up your absurd claims.

Hamas, on the other hand, was formed in 1987, as a civilian charity, that became a political party that provided Gaza's administrators. As a charitable organization, Hamas has always relied on donations/contributions, and they have always been essentially broke. Hamas has no military and no weapons.

Bullshit!

Hamas, an acronym for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya (“Islamic Resistance Movement”), was founded by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, a Palestinian cleric who became an activist in local branches of the Muslim Brotherhood after dedicating his early life to Islamic scholarship in Cairo. Beginning in the late 1960s, Yassin preached and performed charitable work in the West Bank and Gaza, both of which Israel occupied following the 1967 Six-Day War.

Yassin established Hamas as the Brotherhood’s political arm in Gaza in Dec. 1987, following the outbreak of the first intifada, a Palestinian uprising against Israeli occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem.

What is Hamas? What to know about its origins, leaders and funding

The Palestinian militant group has struggled to govern Gaza and remains committed to violently resisting Israel. Its surprise attack against Israel in 2023 threatens a wider conflagration in the Middle East.

www.pbs.org

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2538077

What is Hamas and why is it fighting with Israel in Gaza?

Hamas attacked Israel on 7 October 2023, killing about 1,200 people and taking over 250 hostages.

www.bbc.com

Hamas is not Al Qassam. The two are not affiliated.

Delusional bullshit. Come on! Show us your proof of that. I dare you!

Nope. Al Qassam was formed in 1991 by Iran. Iran has been Israel's only attacker.

Wrong, and all of the above sources, among thousands more say you are wrong, dead... flat... WRONG!

 

[IBDaMann]

Hamas controls Al Qassam.

Nope. Prove it. You are making the affirmative argument. Everyone acknowledges that Al Qassam, a completely separate organization, is a militant proxy funded and authorized by Iran. You are making the absurd assertion that Gazan administrators somehow control Al Qassam. Show it. Of course you cannot, because they don't.

For example, in 2021 Mohammed Deif and Yahya Sinwar, one of the highest ranking Hamas officials inside Gaza was in command of the Al Qassam brigades.

You cannot show that this statement is true, and even if it were, there is nothing preventing any Gazan from becoming an administrator. Such does not put Al Qassam under Hamas control. Iran, and no one else, controls Al Qassam. You can't show that anyone other than Iran controlling Al Qassam.

EVERYBODY EXCEPT YOU says that the Al Qassam brigades are part of Hamas

False. NOBODY, INCLUDING YOU can show that anyone other than Iran controls Al Qassam. You have shown, however, that you are gullible.

I grant that you can find many Team Israel sources on the internet who are feeding you disinformation. You needn't cite them. I stipulate that you are gullible and an enthusiastic supporter of genocide.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Nope. Prove it. You are making the affirmative argument. Everyone acknowledges that Al Qassam, a completely separate organization, is a militant proxy funded and authorized by Iran. You are making the absurd assertion that Gazan administrators somehow control Al Qassam. Show it. Of course you cannot, because they don't.


You cannot show that this statement is true, and even if it were, there is nothing preventing any Gazan from becoming an administrator. Such does not put Al Qassam under Hamas control. Iran, and no one else, controls Al Qassam. You can't show that anyone other than Iran controlling Al Qassam.


False. NOBODY, INCLUDING YOU can show that anyone other than Iran controls Al Qassam. You have shown, however, that you are gullible.

I grant that you can find many Team Israel sources on the internet who are feeding you disinformation. You needn't cite them. I stipulate that you are gullible and an enthusiastic supporter of genocide.

You offered no evidence, refuted nothing I posted earlier.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm not claiming both of those. Hamas was a political party and Gaza's unarmed administrators. Now they are dead.

You are still locked in this paradox. Denying your own posts never works.

You are the one claiming that Hamas is funded by Iran. Hamas was broke when they were alive.

You can't blame your posts on me, IBD. You are still locked in this paradox too.

You are EVADING.

Random phrase ignored.

All of your arguments rely on the use of the empty buzzword "Hamas" so that you can conflate innocent, unarmed Arabs with militant Iranian terrorist proxies, and shift between semantics as convenient.

You are still locked in this paradox.

Concealing your conflation makes it easier to make your support for genocide seem justified and righteous, and makes your special pleading fallacy appear cosmetically valid.

You are still locked in both of those paradoxes. Fallacy fallacy.

... only when you dishonestly conflate dead civilian administrators with a separate, unaffiliated militant terrorist organization.

You are still locked in this paradox. Fallacy fallacy.

There is an egregious genocide, awash in war crimes, occurring that meets the definition ratified by both Israel and the US, as well as almost every other country.

You are still locked in this paradox as well. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

Your denial is irrelevant.

Random phrase ignored.

 

[Into the Night]

You won't even specify who you mean when you write "Hamas" because you know that conflation is your only chance at making your support for genocide sound somewhat plausible. You simply cannot engage on this topic without being totally dishonest. All you have is your misrepresentations of the positions of others.

You are still locked in these paradoxes. Fallacy fallacy.

You're being totally dishonest.

Inversion fallacy.

Nobody is threatening "the Jews" with any genocide.

Blatant lie (denial).

You are trying to distract attention away

Fallacy fallacy.

from your enthusiastic support for the IDF's active genocide

There is no genocide. You are still locked in this paradox.

against unarmed Arabs who never attacked Israel.

They were armed. They attacked Israel.

Why are you so desperate to drag "the Jews" into this?

RQAA.

Thank you for the clarity. You put Israel's ethnic cleansing in the same category as fictional events. This means you deny all the overwhelming evidence placed before you to the contrary. You're living in denial. You are not rational.

Inversion fallacy.
You are still locked in this paradox.

 

[Into the Night]

Nope. Prove it. You are making the affirmative argument. Everyone acknowledges that Al Qassam, a completely separate organization, is a militant proxy funded and authorized by Iran. You are making the absurd assertion that Gazan administrators somehow control Al Qassam. Show it. Of course you cannot, because they don't.

You are still locked in these paradoxes.

You cannot show that this statement is true, and even if it were, there is nothing preventing any Gazan from becoming an administrator. Such does not put Al Qassam under Hamas control. Iran, and no one else, controls Al Qassam. You can't show that anyone other than Iran controlling Al Qassam.

You are still locked in this paradox.

False. NOBODY, INCLUDING YOU can show that anyone other than Iran controls Al Qassam.

You have locked yourself in yet another paradox. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox. You cannot claim Iran controls Al Qassam and doesn't control Al Qassam at the same time!

You have shown, however, that you are gullible.

I grant that you can find many Team Israel sources on the internet who are feeding you disinformation.

Argument of the Stone fallacy.

You needn't cite them. I stipulate that you are gullible and an enthusiastic supporter of genocide.

There is no genocide. You are still locked in this paradox.

Your old posts are catching up with you. You are contradicting yourself and have created four paradoxes on this subject alone.

 

[Into the Night]

Al Qassam was formed in 1991. They are a different organization. Iran established Al Qassam as a militant terrorist proxy to assist in destroying Israel. Al Qassam was never affiliated with the political party Hamas.

Strawman fallacy

Hamas has never received any funding from Iran.

You are still locked in these two paradoxes.

Al Qassam receives regular funding of $100 million annually from Iran, while Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad receive $700 million and $30 million annually from Iran respectively.

And you watched every check, didn't you?

Hamas is Gaza's administrators. Al Qassam is the militant killing organization that is well funded by Iran.

You are still locked in this paradox.

These are not high points of your honesty.

Inversion fallacy.

I never argued this. You wouldn't be able to support this assertion.

Denying your own posts won't work, IBD. It never does.

I never claimed that Hamas is funded by Iran. I have always maintained that Al Qassam is the organization that is funded by Iran, and you know this.

You are still locked in this paradox.

When are you claiming that I asserted that the IDF is somehow not perpetrating genocide per the definition in the Convention against Genocide?

Denying your own posts never works, IBD. You are still locked in this paradox.

You have resorted to blatant lying, and projecting it. Disappointing.

Inversion fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

It's not a fallacy.

Denial of logic.

You forfeited. I had nothing to do with that.

Assumption of victory fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Correct. Hamas is not Al Qassam. In 1991, Iran established Al Qassam, which is not Hamas (Hamas already existed and was not affiliated with Iran in any way). Iran wanted a militant terrorist organization to bolster its efforts to destroy Israel.

You are still locked in this paradox.

Hamas, on the other hand, was formed in 1987, as a civilian charity, that became a political party that provided Gaza's administrators. As a charitable organization, Hamas has always relied on donations/contributions, and they have always been essentially broke. Hamas has no military and no weapons.

You are still locked in this paradox.

Hamas is not Al Qassam. The two are not affiliated.

You are locked in this paradox.

Nope. Al Qassam was formed in 1991 by Iran. Iran has been Israel's only attacker.

You are still locked in these two fallacies.

You are being irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

 

[IBDaMann]

You offered no evidence, refuted nothing I posted earlier.

You posted disinformation from other Team Israel genocide supporters. You demanded that I prove a negative as your way of tipping your king. You need to show that someone other than Iran controls Al Qassam, not merely quote other members of Team Israel who make the same unsupported claim.

 

[Into the Night]

Nope. Prove it.

RQAA.

You are making the affirmative argument.

And he supported it.

Everyone acknowledges that Al Qassam, a completely separate organization, is a militant proxy funded and authorized by Iran. You are making the absurd assertion that Gazan administrators somehow control Al Qassam. Show it. Of course you cannot, because they don't.

RQAA. You are still locked in this paradox.

You cannot show that this statement is true, and even if it were, there is nothing preventing any Gazan from becoming an administrator. Such does not put Al Qassam under Hamas control. Iran, and no one else, controls Al Qassam. You can't show that anyone other than Iran controlling Al Qassam.

You are still locked in these two paradoxes.

False. NOBODY, INCLUDING YOU can show that anyone other than Iran controls Al Qassam.

Argument of the Stone fallacy.

You have shown, however, that you are gullible.

Argument of the Stone fallacy. Mantra 1a. Lame.

I grant that you can find many Team Israel sources on the internet who are feeding you disinformation.

Argument of the Stone fallacy. Bulverism fallacy.

You needn't cite them. I stipulate that you are gullible and an enthusiastic supporter of genocide.

Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism). You are still locked in this paradox. There is no genocide.

 

[IBDaMann]

You are still locked in this paradox. You are still locked in this paradox. You are locked in this paradox. You are still locked in these two fallacies. You are being irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

This is your way of conceding defeat. You are deliberately ignoring my responses and you are not addressing your deliberate conflation. You have forfeited and there's nothing more to be said, as your post clearly demonstrates.

 

[IBDaMann]

Strawman fallacy

... and here I was thinking you knew what a strawman fallacy is.

 

[Into the Night]

You posted disinformation from other Team Israel genocide supporters.

There is no genocide. You are still locked in this paradox.

You demanded that I prove a negative

Fallacy fallacy. No negative proof was requested or forced. He is requesting your counterargument and evidence for it.

as your way of tipping your king.

Assumption of victory fallacy. Cliche fallacy.

You need to show that someone other than Iran controls Al Qassam, not merely quote other members of Team Israel who make the same unsupported claim.

You are still locked in this paradox.

 

[IBDaMann]

Assumption of victory fallacy.

Not a fallacy. You forfeited. You are nonresponsive and you misrepresent my position. That's a forfeit. Let me know if you wish to play again.

 

[Into the Night]

This is your way of conceding defeat.

Assumption of victory fallacy.

You are deliberately ignoring my responses

Your responses are little more than fallacies and continuing your paradoxes. I have responded to each of your posts.

and you are not addressing your deliberate conflation. You have forfeited and there's nothing more to be said, as your post clearly demonstrates.

Fallacy fallacy. You are still locked in this paradox. Assumption of victory fallacy. Inversion fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

... and here I was thinking you knew what a strawman fallacy is.

I do. You committed one.