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It already was, Wally.
The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving to be a scam
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And yet they have held out for 3 years, and even captured back over a third of the territory that Russia originally took. The last major breakthrough was Ukraine's.
There is peace in Ukraine? Wow, I had not heard.
He will have it settled in 24 hours from being elected, they fell for it.The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving a scam
The White House’s breathless – some might say witless – optimism at the beginning of the talks has evaporated.
Trump himself seems to be waking up to the realisation that the Kremlin is playing him for a fool.
Two rounds of peace talks in, and the basic rhythms of Putin’s unique negotiating style are becoming clear: Lie. Bomb. Lie. Bomb.
Just a day after a new supposed breakthrough this week in Riyadh on a moratorium on attacks in the Black Sea, Putin’s deadly drones once again swarmed into Kharkiv destroying apartments and stores and injuring 21 people.
After Donald Trump spoke to Vladimir Putin earlier this month, the White House claimed that “a future with an improved bilateral relationship between the United States and Russia has huge upside” and spoke of “enormous economic deals and geopolitical stability when peace has been achieved”.
Days later Kremlin representatives sat down with their US counterparts in Saudi Arabia and agreed a partial ceasefire suspending attacks on energy infrastructure. Putin claimed that he had issued orders to cancel an imminent strike. Later that very night Russian missiles rained down on Kyiv, killing a young family in their beds.
This week the pattern has repeated. Putin’s envoys claimed that a ceasefire on the Black Sea had been thrashed out that would allow free export of Russian grain and fertilisers. Another lie, or at least a distraction, because neither commodity is currently sanctioned or restricted.
What the Kremlin really wants is free passage for its oil tankers and cover for its battered Black Sea Fleet to return to its base at Sevastopol, from which it has been forced to withdraw by Ukrainian missile attacks. And even as the delegations flew home, 86 deadly Iranian-made Shahed drones were rolled out of their containers, assembled, armed and launched at Kharkiv. More than 20 made it through Ukrainian defences, bringing more fire and fury to Kharkiv’s long-suffering civilians even as Putin claimed to be talking peace.
But perhaps Trump and his billionaire oil lawyer envoy Steve Witkoff aren’t the suckers that Putin takes them for. For one, the White House’s breathless – some might say witless – optimism at the beginning of the talks has evaporated. The tone of the readout of this week’s talks in Riyadh was bone-dry: “The United States and Russia will continue working toward achieving a durable and lasting peace.”
Trump himself seems to be waking up to the realisation that the Kremlin is playing him for a fool.
The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving a scam
Two rounds of peace talks in, and the basic rhythms of Putin’s unique negotiating style are becoming clear: Lie. Bomb. Lie. Bomb. Just a day after a new supposed breakthrough this week in Riyadh on a moratorium on attacks in the Black Sea, Putin’s deadly drones once again swarmed into Kharkiv...news.yahoo.com
When Trump didn't end it in the first 24 hours, I have a MAGA friend on FB who backtracked and declared Trump would end it in 30 days.
Three more weeks, like his health care plan. Its the go to when they backtrack.
MAGA morons haven't learned in the last nine years that Trump vastly overpromises, and then shockingly under-delivers.
Dutch Uncle
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MAGA morons believe that when Trump underdelivers, that it was part of the plan. They, like Trump himself, believe he's a genius who plays fourth dimensional chess while all the Democrats are playing checkers.
Like claiming Trump's cave on tariffs was an act of sheer genius!
gfm7175
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What "cave on tariffs", Crypress?Like claiming Trump's cave on tariffs was an act of sheer genius!
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Yes. MAGA morons believe it's "winning" to lose millions of US jobs and trillions of US dollars.Like claiming Trump's cave on tariffs was an act of sheer genius!
Trump didn't even have the nerve to keep his tariffs in place for more than 24 hours, before he got spooked by instability in the US bonds market.
gfm7175
Mega MAGA
Tariffs are still in place, dude... just not at the higher rates that were announced on the 2nd (but rather at a baseline 10% rate while negotiations occur). 25% tariffs on auto/steel are still in effect too. China's tariffs just keep increasing (they're at maybe 125% or so by now? I forget what the latest rate is).
Into the Night
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Ukraine has already lost. They are running out of men and resources.
Into the Night
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Not what I said, Wally. Pay attention.
Into the Night
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MAGA isn't a person, Sybil. Trump is delivering.
Into the Night
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MAGA isn't person, Sybil.
The Democrats aren't playing anything. They threw the game board across the room in their fit of rage.
Into the Night
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MAGA isn't a person, Sybil. Argument from randU fallacy. Stop making up numbers.
Into the Night
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They're still in place, Sybil.
Russia is the one desperately hiring mercenaries from all over the world, and getting resupplied by North Korea and Iran.