“Nothing will change the fact that Abrego Garcia will never be a Maryland father." - Karoline

BartenderElite said:
I reject the characterizations in that question. But I don't see why the Senator couldn't have called that family AND still visited Garcia.

MAGA's can keep doing their childish thing of saying Garcia is a Dem "hero" or characterize it however they want. Democrats are interested in preventing a slippery slope when it comes to justice. If we start treating due process so casually, it can disappear before we know it. We've seen that in history.
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Anwar Awlaki?
 
AProudLefty said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1912612865170714833
View: https://twitter.com/CalltoActivism/status/1912612865170714833?t=E51D9Ztj53RgHeuuGsPRKw&s=19


I'm surprised that the cross didn't burst into flame.

The Trump administration is openly defying the SCOTUS.
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Democrats are now admitting they can't read. Trump has done no such thing, are you watching The View? He has once again steered you idiots into the bottomless pit of lunacy and you're all jumping right in like obedient little sheep led to the slaughter house. Try reading it and then get help understanding it. I've seen enough of your post to know you need all the help you can get.
 
AProudLefty said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1912612865170714833
View: https://twitter.com/CalltoActivism/status/1912612865170714833?t=E51D9Ztj53RgHeuuGsPRKw&s=19


I'm surprised that the cross didn't burst into flame.

The Trump administration is openly defying the SCOTUS.
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Trump is following the law as it is written. What is SCOTUS going to do about it?

What are you going to do about it? Wring your hands on a lowly trafficked political message board? You gonna fly down there with Van Hollen and have mai tai's with him?

What is it you love about this guy so much? Or is it that you are told to be mad about it so you are?

Sure, bring him back. He will just be deported again.
 
BartenderElite said:
Yep. Because right now, there is a chance he spends his entire life in prison - because of our mistake.

And America should be about fixing those kinds of errors.
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He's likely to either way. Being convicted of being a terrorist and a mid-tier officer in MS 13 is double digits in federal prison here with lifetime parole following it. The chances of being reincarcerated is almost certain once he gets on parole. There are simply too many easy ways to offend and violate parole now.

America should be about trying to be fair and just, not perfect when it comes to a legal system. The former is possible while doable the latter is a fool's errand.
 
Teflon Don said:
Trump is following the law as it is written. What is SCOTUS going to do about it?

What are you going to do about it? Wring your hands on a lowly trafficked political message board? You gonna fly down there with Van Hollen and have mai tai's with him?

What is it you love about this guy so much? Or is it that you are told to be mad about it so you are?

Sure, bring him back. He will just be deported again.
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lowly trafficked. only a few are chosen.

:cheers:
 
BartenderElite said:
They can't join him right now - what are you talking about?

I feel pretty secure in my argument. Because it's based on American values around fairness in our justice system, and equal & fair treatment for all.

MAGA's are on a different planet from that now. They simply do not believe in American values, or the Constitution.
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I don’t want violent illegals who are members of a terrorist gang “treated” at all.

Once found to be a terrorist gang member, I want him/her deported.

That goes for those who are here illegally but commit no crimes while here.

Deport them…it is the law.
 
Earl said:
I don’t want violent illegals who are members of a terrorist gang “treated” at all.

Once found to be a terrorist gang member, I want him/her deported.

That goes for those who are here illegally but commit no crimes while here.

Deport them…it is the law.
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This case goes far beyond this man.

I'm not so ready to compromise our Constitution.
 
BartenderElite said:
This case goes far beyond this man.

I'm not so ready to compromise our Constitution.
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It comes back to the question of being an illegal alien really. Once found deportable, or arrested for something and subsequently found guilty, deportation is the way to handle that in most cases. A criminal, especially one that committed their crime(s) in the US, has no right to asylum whatsoever as far as I'm concerned.

If they are going to be mistreated in their country of origin, too bad for them. They shouldn't have illegally come to the US and then mistreated our citizens by committing crimes.

There is no constitutional compromise in that. You get your day in court and a hearing. If it's determined you are here illegally, you get deported. If you committed a crime or crimes, you can't get asylum or a stay on your deportation. You gave that up the second you committed a criminal act.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It comes back to the question of being an illegal alien really. Once found deportable, or arrested for something and subsequently found guilty, deportation is the way to handle that in most cases. A criminal, especially one that committed their crime(s) in the US, has no right to asylum whatsoever as far as I'm concerned.

If they are going to be mistreated in their country of origin, too bad for them. They shouldn't have illegally come to the US and then mistreated our citizens by committing crimes.

There is no constitutional compromise in that. You get your day in court and a hearing. If it's determined you are here illegally, you get deported. If you committed a crime or crimes, you can't get asylum or a stay on your deportation. You gave that up the second you committed a criminal act.
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The government admitted it's mistake.

Just correct the mistake. That is all anyone is asking. It would restore a lot of good faith.

Or, don't care about it, and care about the Constitution less.
 
BartenderElite said:
The government admitted it's mistake.

Just correct the mistake. That is all anyone is asking. It would restore a lot of good faith.

Or, don't care about it, and care about the Constitution less.
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And how does bringing him back to the US to go to court to be told he's going to go right back to El Salvador change the outcome in the least?

After all, we now know this guy is a criminal, thug, MS 13 gang member (making him officially a "terrorist"), and has an already extant order of deportation on him. The stay isn't going to fly given his criminal and gang history in the US. That means right back to CECOT he goes.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
And how does bringing him back to the US to go to court to be told he's going to go right back to El Salvador change the outcome in the least?

After all, we now know this guy is a criminal, thug, MS 13 gang member (making him officially a "terrorist"), and has an already extant order of deportation on him. The stay isn't going to fly given his criminal and gang history in the US. That means right back to CECOT he goes.
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What are the charges?
 
AProudLefty said:
What are the charges?
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He was adjudicated by two different judges to be an MS 13 gang member. There is substantial evidence proving that. Trump has declared (legally) that MS 13 is a "terrorist organization" operating in the US. Abrego Garcia would have a near impossible task of refuting membership at this point.

Therefore, the DOJ can charge him with being a member of a terrorist organization, and upon conviction he would face double digits in prison for his membership. That single charge alone is enough. The feds could also reopen the Tennessee case on human trafficking and prosecute that. Again, lots of time if he's found guilty.
 
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