“Nothing will change the fact that Abrego Garcia will never be a Maryland father." - Karoline

T. A. Gardner said:
He was adjudicated by two different judges to be an MS 13 gang member. There is substantial evidence proving that. Trump has declared (legally) that MS 13 is a "terrorist organization" operating in the US. Abrego Garcia would have a near impossible task of refuting membership at this point.

Therefore, the DOJ can charge him with being a member of a terrorist organization, and upon conviction he would face double digits in prison for his membership. That single charge alone is enough. The feds could also reopen the Tennessee case on human trafficking and prosecute that. Again, lots of time if he's found guilty.
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So no charges.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
He was adjudicated by two different judges to be an MS 13 gang member. There is substantial evidence proving that. Trump has declared (legally) that MS 13 is a "terrorist organization" operating in the US. Abrego Garcia would have a near impossible task of refuting membership at this point.

Therefore, the DOJ can charge him with being a member of a terrorist organization, and upon conviction he would face double digits in prison for his membership. That single charge alone is enough. The feds could also reopen the Tennessee case on human trafficking and prosecute that. Again, lots of time if he's found guilty.
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You're exaggerating.

There is NOT "substantial evidence."
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Wrong. He'd be charged with being a terrorist.

www.law.cornell.edu

18 U.S. Code Chapter 113B Part I - TERRORISM

www.law.cornell.edu www.law.cornell.edu

Then he might be charged with being a human trafficker.

www.law.cornell.edu

18 U.S. Code Chapter 77 Part I - PEONAGE, SLAVERY, AND TRAFFICKING IN PERSONS

www.law.cornell.edu www.law.cornell.edu

The guy is totally fucked if he comes back to the US. Off to prison or being deported in lieu of prison.
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In order to call him a criminal, he'd have to be charged and convicted. He was sent to a prison without due process.
 
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AProudLefty said:
In order to call him a criminal, he'd have to be charged and convicted. He was sent to a prison without due process.
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No, he was deported to El Salvador who has different laws than the US. As an El Salvadorian citizen--he isn't a US citizen--he's subject to their laws and legal system on arrival in his home country. Being a verified MS 13 member meant he got a one-way ticket to CECOT by El Salvadorian law.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, he was deported to El Salvador who has different laws than the US. As an El Salvadorian citizen--he isn't a US citizen--he's subject to their laws and legal system on arrival in his home country. Being a verified MS 13 member meant he got a one-way ticket to CECOT by El Salvadorian law.
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One more time, he was not verified.
 
AProudLefty said:
One more time, he was not verified.
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Yes, he was. The US courts said so and even noted that he did not dispute the ruling. It wasn't important to him or his legal counsel as being a gang member really didn't have much legal impact, right up to Trump making MS 13 a terrorist organization and putting a priority on their deportation. Then suddenly, it mattered to him.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, he was deported to El Salvador who has different laws than the US. As an El Salvadorian citizen--he isn't a US citizen--he's subject to their laws and legal system on arrival in his home country. Being a verified MS 13 member meant he got a one-way ticket to CECOT by El Salvadorian law.
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We just repatriated him :dunno:
 
AProudLefty said:
How about he receives his due process? :awesome:
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Yea. He comes back to the US. He goes in front of a judge with his liar... err, lawyer, and the judge finds he's in the US illegally, has a standing order of deportation, and a stay not to send him to El Salvador...

Off to Azerbaijan or Pitcairn Island he goes! My bet is Trump could get either to accept him for some "foreign aid" (aka a bribe). :bleh:
 
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