BP, I told you so
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I took you off ignore to see if you had changed at all, predictably you are still the same ignorant Okie cunt. Leopards don't change their spots and skunks still smell bad.
Sammy Jankis
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So there's not reason to ban off shore drilling or get off oil. Cool.
Drill baby drill!
Drill baby drill!
charver
You lookin' at my pint?
It serves as a vague basis for your rather tedious posts so, by definition England has at least one use.
I don't recall me, or anyone stating that the Gulf would be permanently destroyed, or that there would be lasting damage (that's a nebulous term in and of itself, what are you talking about? Decades? Centuries?)
So I don't accept the premise of your assertion.
I personally hope the environmental damage is limited.
However, my view is that it will be science and long-term monitoring that will ultimately determine what kind of damage there is - message board pontificating aside. Petroleum does break down fast due to microbial activity. But there's a lot of residual crap, like toxins and metals, in petroleum that we can't visually see and which can affect the food chain.
I don't think BP should have to fork out the whole 20 billion, if it is scientifically determined that the extent of the damage they caused is less than that. That will be determined by experts who have trained for years to study this crap. Message board assertions don't cut it.
Hey bro, US corporations fuck up too. Bhopal was a disgrace. I have no idea why you take this so personally. People here would be massively pissed off whether it was BP or Chevron.
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Little Tommy could give a fuck about the environment or America. All he (and BP) care about is money.
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So why is BP getting all the flak whilst Halliburton, Transocean, Anadarko and Cameron are not getting similar treatment? US corporations have a long track record of environmental disasters and avoiding paying the full costs of them. BP hasn't done that and has paid up front, something which the other companies have steadfastly refused to do. Transocean even tried to invoke an 1851 act to limit it's liabilities to $27 million. What particularly galls me is that a bunch of scumbag lawyers will attempt to enrich themselves from this affair, it is the American way after all.
I don't even think it was an exaggeration.
Because the government wants to distract the public from the fact that they gave them waivers to operate that platform just as they did...
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Whinging wanker Prendergrast gets his comeuppance
Perhaps the UK media didn't report this:
Thu Apr 29, 2010
Louisiana shrimpers sue BP over oil spill - Transocean and Halliburton also named as defendants...
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2917899720100429
Or this:
June 30, 2010
Class Action Against BP
Other named defendants include rig operators Transocean Ltd; Cameron International Corp, which provided a blowout preventer and a Halliburton Co unit that provided cementing services for the oil well...
http://blogs.findlaw.com/free_enter...an-spicer-brings-class-action-against-bp.html
Or this:
July 20th, 2010
Latest BP Oil Spill Lawsuit Targets Fireboat Owners
Companies that provided fireboats following the explosion aboard the Deepwater Horizon oil rig have been named in a lawsuit. The complaint, filed by fisherman and others whose incomes have been impacted by the BP oil spill, claims the fireboats flooded the doomed rig, causing it to sink and damage the well a mile beneath the surface of the Gulf of Mexico.
Seventeen companies are named in the lawsuit, including Seacor Marine and Diamond Offshore Drilling. According to a Business Week report, the suit seeks compensatory and punitive damages on behalf of all commercial fisherman, charter-boat operators and other businesses affected by the spill; property owners whose land was fouled; and oil workers who lost work because of the U.S.-imposed halt in offshore drilling.
There are hundreds more, and BP's partners and confederates are also in the dock, so there goes your whinging about the unfair persecution of poor little BP.
My guess is that you own no stock in the other firms, so you don't care.
Do you work for BP, Tommy?
Perhaps the UK media didn't report this:
Thu Apr 29, 2010
Louisiana shrimpers sue BP over oil spill - Transocean and Halliburton also named as defendants...
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2917899720100429
Or this:
June 30, 2010
Class Action Against BP
Other named defendants include rig operators Transocean Ltd; Cameron International Corp, which provided a blowout preventer and a Halliburton Co unit that provided cementing services for the oil well...
http://blogs.findlaw.com/free_enter...an-spicer-brings-class-action-against-bp.html
Or this:
July 20th, 2010
Latest BP Oil Spill Lawsuit Targets Fireboat Owners
Companies that provided fireboats following the explosion aboard the Deepwater Horizon oil rig have been named in a lawsuit. The complaint, filed by fisherman and others whose incomes have been impacted by the BP oil spill, claims the fireboats flooded the doomed rig, causing it to sink and damage the well a mile beneath the surface of the Gulf of Mexico.
Seventeen companies are named in the lawsuit, including Seacor Marine and Diamond Offshore Drilling. According to a Business Week report, the suit seeks compensatory and punitive damages on behalf of all commercial fisherman, charter-boat operators and other businesses affected by the spill; property owners whose land was fouled; and oil workers who lost work because of the U.S.-imposed halt in offshore drilling.
There are hundreds more, and BP's partners and confederates are also in the dock, so there goes your whinging about the unfair persecution of poor little BP.
My guess is that you own no stock in the other firms, so you don't care.
Do you work for BP, Tommy?
I think you're being too emotional on this, and the British press is notorious for being sensationalist and tabloid-ish. Which is why you have BBC, to provide a modicum of balanced and professional journalism.
First, I don't accept your assertion that Transocean is getting off scott free. This is going to be played out in the courts, and its way too early for anyone - or any british tabloid - to be making declarative statements couched in a veneer of absolute certainty.
Second, you will probably never find an american liberal on this board defending the corporate misdeeds of Halliburton, Dole, or any other entity guilty of corporate misdeeds. This board has literally hundreds of examples of liberals excoriating the criminal and environmental misdeeds of the american corporate empire in latin america, middle east and asia. Do a search. Or google General Smedley Butler, who has been routinely quoted by lefties on this board.
third, as a matter of public perception, the big boys in the room are always going to get more attention than the small fry or the contractors. Halliburton's misdeeds, murders, and rapes in Iraq are all broadly attributed to the Halliburtion corporation in media and popular culture, regardless of the many misdeeds perpetrated by halliburton contractors operating under the umbrella of the Haliburtion corporation. That's just the way the world works bro, just deal with it.
Lastly, our legal system is somewhat unique in the world, where there is some semblance of a paltry attempt to make the courts and legal justice available to the common man against the monied interests and corporate power. There's a lot of jokes about ambulance chasing lawyers, primarily perpetrated by the right wing, but our system of justice I think grew out of our revolutionary founder's mistrust of the old world school of thought that money and power should be protected and enshrined against the complaints of the dirty hippies and the working schmucks. Upton Sinclair is regarded in liberal circles as an american icon, perhaps in a way he never would have in royalist europe.
So on balance, I once again have to reject your assertions and speculations. I think your brit tabloids are manipulating your emotions and your nationalism, but like I said,the british press is not really a professional journalistic endeavor, broadly speaking. They sell sensationalism. That's why you dudes had to invent the BBC.
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I doubt the hundreds of thousands of fishermen and others whose livelihoods are impacted are impressed, Slimy Limey.
What about the dead Americans? Do they get their life back?
How many shares of BP do you own, Tommy boy?
What about the dead Americans? Do they get their life back?
How many shares of BP do you own, Tommy boy?
Liberty
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I bet I can figure out what they will say if they're the same scientists that are on the governments payroll.
Nice! I think those government scientists at NASA faked the moon landing!
Dude, I get it. I've heard all the conspiracy theories. I totally get that the reich wing distrusts science, and in many cases is theologically opposed to science, from stem cells, to climate change, to evolution.
Most scientists are on public payrolls, whether they work at public universities, national labs, or scientific agencies. Obviously, its all one nefarious progressive plot to make conservatives look foolish with lying, liberal science.
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Tommy Dunkirk, BP drills the most unsafe wells in the world. Matter of FACT Brit Petro has like 400 plus OSHA violations. The Texas City Explosion KILLED 15, Alaska P/L leak (the Brits let that rust until it leaked), Now Horizon.
You guys didn't listen to all those companies that told you what you were doing was unsafe. Just like the Triump sports car, all sizzle not stake. NOT RELIABLE
You guys didn't listen to all those companies that told you what you were doing was unsafe. Just like the Triump sports car, all sizzle not stake. NOT RELIABLE
Liberty
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Nice! I think those government scientists at NASA faked the moon landing!
Dude, I get it. I've heard all the conspiracy theories. I totally get that the reich wing distrusts science, and in many cases is theologically opposed to science, from stem cells, to climate change, to evolution.
Most scientists are on public payrolls, whether they work at public universities, national labs, or scientific agencies. Obviously, its all one nefarious progressive plot to make conservatives look foolish with lying, liberal science.
Thanks for admitting that most, (not all) scientists are sucking off the gov't titty.
What's this right (reich) wing crap? Both parties are socialists, using my money to justify the taking of more of my money. The republicans are just as responsible for the crap the tax payer is paying for just as much as the dems.
Free capitalists advance technology. Not a socialist authority paying people to say what they want the public to hear.
What a gov't worshiper you are.
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The name is P and I would be happy to eat some shrimps out of the Gulf.
So has the great BP environmental disaster in the Gulf of Mexico been over-hyped?
By Daniel Bates
Last updated at 1:06 AM on 31st July 2010
The environmental damage caused by BP’s Gulf of Mexico oil spill may have been grossly exaggerated, a growing body of experts is suggesting.
In a bold move, scientists have dismissed the torrent of grim predictions from President Obama and environmentalists as ‘hype’ with no data to back it up.
Instead, those working on the ground say the oil is breaking up far more quickly than expected and the number of birds being killed is low.
Just days after the Deepwater Horizon leak was capped two weeks ago, coastal grass began to grow back, as did trees which serve as breeding grounds for fish and other wildlife.
Environmental disaster? Fire boat response crews battle the blazing remnants of the offshore oil rig Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf of Mexico on April 21
Coastguard Commander Thad Allen said the oil on the surface was disappearing within hours of the successful plug.
Skimmers went from catching 25,000 to 200 barrels of oil a day. Now experts point to a host of data that shows the tide is turning.
The harsh restrictions on fishing and shrimping are being lifted and the number of birds killed is just 1 per cent of those which died in the Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska in 1989.
Strong coastal currents have kept the oil away from the shore and when it lands crews have been able to swiftly remove the balls of tar.
A graphic from May 24 which shows the extent of the oil spill around a month after the disaster
By July 26, much of the oil has dispersed either naturally or has been skimmed from the surface
The oil in the water is light and degradable, the Gulf of Mexico is warm, which helps to break it down, and although rescue teams have collected nearly 3,000 dead birds, fewer than half had oil covering them and some may have died from eating oil contaminated food.
Only three oiled carcasses of mammals such as dolphins have been pulled from the water.
Marine scientist Ivor van Heerden, a former Louisiana State University professor, who is working as a spill response contractor, said: ‘There’s just no data to suggest this is an environmental disaster.
'I have no interest in making BP look good - I think they lied about the size of the spill - but we’re not seeing catastrophic impacts. There’s a lot of hype, but no evidence to justify it.’
Geochemist Jacqueline Michel added: ‘The impacts have been much, much less than everyone feared.’
Rescue teams have found 492 dead sea turtles but only 17 were visibly oiled.
However, all the experts admit the full consequences of the spill may not be known for years.
They took a stand as Tony Hayward, BP’s departing chief executive, revealed he did not want to leave his post but was forced out for the good of the company.
‘I became a villain for doing the right thing,’ he told the Wall Street Journal. ‘But I understand that people find it easier to vilify an individual more than a company.
‘I didn’t want to leave BP, because I love the company. Because I love the company, I must leave BP.’
In his first interview since his departure was announced, he said he resented the daily criticism from the Obama administration but acknowledged that his gaffes, including saying that he ‘wanted his life’ back, had harmed BP’s reputation.
Workboats operate near the site of the Deepwater Horizon incident in the Gulf of Mexico last Friday
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