Reality check on electric cars

Nope. And it doesn't show that EV's are good for longer distances, only that they can do longer distances if the infrastructure is in place to support them and working. Charging is a problem, particularly in the Middle-of-Nowhere. So, what works in the Eastern US doesn't mean it works in the West where things are far more spread out and there are long stretches of road with nothing on them whatsoever.
That's why I'm not getting one. If I was just doing urban commutes - I'd get a Nissan Leaf - their range is shitty - but their cheap as fuck.

My vehicle just likely got totaled - a lady "doored" me - she must've been going 35 on our 25 mph street and she just about took my drivers side door clean off today. One more second and I would have stepped out of the vehicle and I probably would be typing this from a hospital bed right now.

So I'm looking at a Subaru AWD right now. They're reasonably priced - I just need a heated steering wheel, AWD, and adaptive cruise.

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Here's MY vehicle today:

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That's why I'm not getting one. If I was just doing urban commutes - I'd get a Nissan Leaf - their range is shitty - but their cheap as fuck.

My vehicle just likely got totaled - a lady "doored" me - she must've been going 35 on our 25 mph street and she just about took my drivers side door clean off today. One more second and I would have stepped out of the vehicle and I probably would be typing this from a hospital bed right now.

So I'm looking at a Subaru AWD right now. They're reasonably priced - I just need a heated steering wheel, AWD, and adaptive cruise.

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Here's MY vehicle today:

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You can toss in that EV's in general have terrible handling on snow and ice too. That has become apparent. Driving one in snow or icy conditions is just asking for a huge insurance bill when you prang the vehicle.



View: https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/12in68z/this_thing_sucks_in_snow/
 
You can toss in that EV's in general have terrible handling on snow and ice too. That has become apparent. Driving one in snow or icy conditions is just asking for a huge insurance bill when you prang the vehicle.



View: https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/12in68z/this_thing_sucks_in_snow/
I used to sell Fords. The Ford Escape plug-in hybrid is excellent in ICE/Snow and mud as is the Ford Lightning full-sized pickup. I remember we sold a used Lightning for about 80 grand.

I'm going for the Subaru AWD.
 
That's why I'm not getting one. If I was just doing urban commutes - I'd get a Nissan Leaf - their range is shitty - but their cheap as fuck.

My vehicle just likely got totaled - a lady "doored" me - she must've been going 35 on our 25 mph street and she just about took my drivers side door clean off today. One more second and I would have stepped out of the vehicle and I probably would be typing this from a hospital bed right now.

So I'm looking at a Subaru AWD right now. They're reasonably priced - I just need a heated steering wheel, AWD, and adaptive cruise.

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Here's MY vehicle today:

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Dang! Glad you're okay at least. Subarus are pretty solid vehicles. (y)
 
Dang! Glad you're okay at least. Subarus are pretty solid vehicles. (y)
Thanks, one more second and I would not have been!

Subarus are surprisingly inexpensive. I'm looking at one right now - heated seats, adaptive cruise control, sunroof - it's a 2020 with 38k miles on it!

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Exterior
Body-Colored Front Bumper w/Black Rub Strip/Fascia AccentBody-Colored Power Heated Side Mirrors w/Manual Folding and Turn Signal IndicatorBody-Colored Rear Bumper w/Black Rub Strip/Fascia AccentChrome Side Windows TrimSingle Stainless Steel Exhaust
Interior
2 12V DC Power Outlets2 Seatback Storage Pockets60-40 Folding Bench Front Facing Heated Fold Forward Seatback Rear SeatAir FiltrationBody-Colored Door HandlesCargo Area Concealed StorageCargo Space LightsCarpet Floor TrimCruise Control w/Steering Wheel ControlsDelay Off Interior LightingDriver / Passenger And Rear Door BinsDriver And Passenger Visor Vanity Mirrors w/Driver And Passenger IlluminationDriver SeatFixed Rear Window w/DefrosterFront Center Armrest w/Storage and Rear Center ArmrestFront CupholderFront Map LightsFront Windshield -inc: Sun Visor StripFull Cloth HeadlinerFull Floor Console w/Covered StorageHVAC -inc: Underseat Ducts and Console DuctsIlluminated Locking Glove BoxLeather Steering WheelLight Tinted GlassManual Tilt/Telescoping Steering ColumnManual w/Tilt Front Head Restraints and Manual Adjustable Rear Head RestraintsMini Overhead Console w/Storage and 2 12V DC Power OutletsPassenger SeatRear CupholderRedundant Digital SpeedometerTrunk Rear Cargo AccessValet Function
Safety
Airbag Occupancy SensorBrake AssistCompact Spare Tire Mounted Inside Under CargoCurtain 1st And 2nd Row AirbagsDriver Knee Airbag and Passenger Cushion Front AirbagDual Stage Driver And Passenger Front AirbagsDual Stage Driver And Passenger Seat-Mounted Side AirbagsHeight Adjusters and PretensionersOutboard Front Lap And Shoulder Safety Belts -inc: Rear Center 3 PointRear child safety locksSide Impact BeamsSteel Spare WheelTire Specific Low Tire Pressure Warning
Mechanical
3.70 Axle RatioBrake Actuated Limited Slip DifferentialDouble Wishbone Rear Suspension w/Coil SpringsElectric Power-Assist Speed-Sensing SteeringEngine Auto Stop-Start FeatureFront And Rear Vented DiscsStrut Front Suspension w/Coil Springs
Technology
12 Speakers2 LCD Monitors In The FrontCompassDigital Signal ProcessorDriver Information Center
Other
18.5 Gal. Fuel Tank4-Wheel Disc Brakes w/4-Wheel ABS8-speed manual shift modeAnalog AppearanceAuto On/Off Projector Beam Led Low/High Beam Daytime Running Auto-Leveling Directionally Adaptive Auto High-Beam HeadlampsBattery w/Run Down ProtectionCarpet Trunk Lid/Rear Cargo Door Trim and Carpet MatCollision Mitigation-FrontDelayed Accessory PowerDriver And Passenger Auxiliary MirrorDriver foot restElectronic Throttle Control (ETC) and direct injectionEngine: 2.5L DOHC 16 Valve 4-Cylinder -inc: Dual Active Valve Control System (DAVCS) variable valve timingEyeSight Advanced Adaptive Cruise ControlEyeSight Pre-Collision BrakingFront And Rear Anti-Roll BarsFull-Time All-WheelGalvanized Steel/Aluminum PanelsGas-Pressurized Shock AbsorbersGrille w/Chrome BarHeadlights-Automatic HighbeamsHill Hold Control and Electric Parking BrakeInterior Trim -inc: Leatherette/Metal-Look Instrument Panel InsertLED BrakelightsLane CenteringLeather/Metal-Look Gear Shifter MaterialLeatherette Door Trim InsertOutside Temp GaugePerimeter/Approach LightsPiano Black/Metal-Look Console Insert and Piano Black/Metal-Look Interior AccentsPiano Black/Metal-Look Door Panel InsertPower Fuel Flap Locking TypeRemote Releases -Inc: Power Cargo AccessReverse Automatic BrakingSTARLINK Safety and Security (Subscription Required) Tracker SystemSubaru Rear/Side Vehicle Detection (SRVD) Blind SpotTires: 225/50R18 95V All SeasonTransmission: Lineartronic CVT -inc: steering wheel paddle-shift control switchesVariable Intermittent Wipers w/Heated Wiper ParkVoice Activated Dual Zone Front Automatic Air ConditioningWheels: 18' x 7.5' Black w/Machine Finish Alloy
 
My son drove from Dearborn to Traverse City this weekend. He made one stop each way and charged while having lunch.
He must eat a long lunch!
He did not wait at all. The problem is you have never had an EV.
I don't want one. They have:
* limited range
* high fire risk
* make heavy use of subsidies just to support them
* have little resale value
* have high insurance rates
* have high taxes
* minor damage totals the car
* no off road capability
* limited or no towing capacity
* expensive tires and brakes
* are extremely wasteful of energy

You are fabricating stories to back your lack of knowledge and experience.
No, Sybil. I know exactly why EVs have these problems. NONE of them have been corrected.
China is creating better EVs and better EV structures.
China is:
1. An oligarchy, with all the tyranny that implies.
2. has huge wasteyards of unwanted EVs.
They will be the auto companies of the future.
They haven't a prayer.
1. Toyata is the largest vehicle manufacturer in the world by far. They got out of EVs. They were losing too much money on them.
2. Ford is the largest truck manufacturer in the world. They got out of EVs. People don't want them. That's for a reason. Ford was losing too much money on them.

You will wonder what happened.
You are describing yourself. People want gasoline cars. They:
* have effectively unlimited range (just a few minutes to refuel).
* can go off road
* are cheap
* have much lower taxes
* have much cheaper insurance
* have a higher resale value
* can do your own maintenance in most cases requiring no special tools
* cheaper tires and brakes
* reduced fire risk
People like you are the problem and prevent the solution.
There is no problem, so no 'solution' is required.
 
Anecdote is not evidence.
Heh. He's describing a trip of 320 miles one way, and the dope had to recharge TWICE,
I can tell you that a few months back I drove from Las Cruces New Mexico back to Phoenix AZ via Socorro NM and then old US 60 to Payson then Phoenix AZ. You can't drive that route in an EV, period. There are zero charging stations along something like 80% + of that route. When you leave Magdelana NM headed west, there isn't even much in the way of civilization until you hit Springerville in Arizona.
This is very typical across much of the West. Charging stations are limited in number, often broken, and, of course, require extended stops to recharge.
China can force their population to use EV's
Turns out they can't. People aren't buying them. They can't afford them. It's just the latest version of building cities with no one to live in them. Chinese EVs are sitting in vast wasteyards.

So much for socialism.
--as California and a few other blue Democrat run states are trying to do--
People are fleeing California for a reason.
but the US population as a whole won't be forced into them by government fiat. That's clear from the economic disaster forced on US car makers by the Bribem administration. Ford and GM lost billions last year from near non-existent EV sales. Tesla's market if flat. Other makers like Rivian are teetering on bankruptcy.
Quite right. Once subsidies and regulations requiring the construction and maintenance of charging stations disappear, those will go of the way of the dodo as well.
 
... AND if one is willing and able to bum around for an hour while waiting for a partial refuel to occur.

Yup. Here in the Midwest, bone cold weather during Winter and very liberal application of road salts is also a problem.
Very cold temperatures can render an EV unable to charge. Even with milder cold, energy must be used to warm the cabin as well, cutting into your range significantly. Very hot days have the same problem, spending energy to keep the cabin cool.

On a gasoline car, the energy needed to heat the cabin is free. To keep the cabin cool, it does cut your mileage a bit, but because a gasoline car has effectively unlimited range (requiring only a few minutes to refuel), it's not a problem.

EV drivers are almost constantly looking for their next place to charge, unless the car is used as a commuter vehicle, in which case they charge at work and at home (at risk of burning down your home!).
 
it takes a special kind of stupid to think this is an argument against Electric vehicles while ignoring oil and gas, and especially while the Trump admin is pushing to get Venezuela oil and gas which comes out of oil sands.

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EV's still use oil. It is used as a coolant for the motors.
They also have coolant for the batteries, complete with radiator.

Leaking battery coolant is one cause of battery fires. Even a small leak is a problem, since it often goes undetected until the battery fire occurs.
 
That is exactly what it shows. You get 350 miles per high-speed charge. They are good for long distances and getting better. Lots of ice cars get fewer miles per fill-up. You have to stop as often.
Again, you show how bad EVs are, and you are reading sales literature, not actual figures.

350 miles under IDEAL CONDITIONS. Conditions are rarely ideal. Heating or cooling the cabin requires shortening your range significantly.
Very cold temperatures render the batteries unable to charge. EV battery range is reduced with age. That doesn't happen with gasoline cars.

You still have to find a charging station at just the right location on your route. They aren't everywhere like gas stations are, AND you have to hope someone hasn't damaged it.

High speed charges damage batteries. Depending on them will severely shorten the life of the vehicle.

Gasoline cars have effectively unlimited range, since it only requires a few minutes to refuel from empty to completely full.

EV's cannot charge from fully discharged to fully charged in anything near that time. You have to spend hours waiting.
They are not practical for open road travel. That's why I don't see them on the open road. I only see them in the cities.

Towing capacity is limited. Most EVs can't tow anything at all.

EVs have terrible resale value. Who wants to buy a used battery?
 
That's why I'm not getting one. If I was just doing urban commutes - I'd get a Nissan Leaf - their range is shitty - but their cheap as fuck.

My vehicle just likely got totaled - a lady "doored" me - she must've been going 35 on our 25 mph street and she just about took my drivers side door clean off today. One more second and I would have stepped out of the vehicle and I probably would be typing this from a hospital bed right now.

So I'm looking at a Subaru AWD right now. They're reasonably priced - I just need a heated steering wheel, AWD, and adaptive cruise.

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Here's MY vehicle today:

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You will find the Eyesight technology provides a very reliable cruise follower mode (what you call adaptive cruise). It also provides for a 'centering up' feeling with steering around curves (40mph and above). Eyesight is now standard equipment on all Subaru models.

Heated steering wheel and other such comforts come with the 'winter package', an additional cost, but nice to have.
You can also get the 'wilderness' package, which increases tow capacity to 3000lbs.

The horizontally opposed engine is mounted low, providing easy viewing and the vehicle has good visibility on all sides. You'll like the way it handles!

Most Subarus come with CV transmissions now, giving the vehicle smooth acceleration without any shifting. They get good fuel economy as well, and naturally aspirated Subarus use 80 or 87 octane gasoline. Turbo models should use 91 octane. In my opinion the turbo is not worth it.

Good solid cars. They last a long time, given normal maintenance.
 
So do conservatives.

They are very good cars, built in the U.S.

Driving a Subaru does not make one a flaming liberal!

My comment was tongue in cheek.
I owned one of the first ones, a front-wheel drive shaped like a Yugo. $1999 out the door. That was followed by three more, as well as introducing them to my father in law, who owned a half dozen before he died. His son still drives them.
Flat opposed engine in 4 or 6 cyl made them perfect for winter driving.
BTW, I must be a lesbian because I, too, love women.
 
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