A Big Myth Busting Fact About Immigration.

Sardonic said:
Weren't the Founding Fathers immigrants?
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No. They were, almost to the man, born here. But even if they weren't born here, they still wouldn't be immigrants. They'd either be victorious conquerors or colonists, neither of which are immigrants.
 
Sardonic said:
Im sorry, this is incoherent babbling.
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let me splain, all the other things libs run on are dead horses, abortion, income inequality, environmental, so they need a new ploy, a new niche of voters, so what do they do yell race about everything, and court the latino vote by doing what, say it with me, giving them stuff.
 
philly rabbit said:
THE MYTH.


The right of immigration is a hallowed American principle that has been recognized since the days of the founding fathers.


As the influx of third world immigrants continue to pour into the country with both major political parties competing against each other to provide their social services and the inhabitants of their transplanted culture's votes with the Democrats holding an overwhelming majority of their support and republicans trying to scheme them away from them with a badly disguised amnesty plan called comprehensive immigration reform, the polls continue to show that most Americans want immigration curved and controlled with tighter border security and more stricter entry requirements for these groups who are enticed here with the promises of social services from both parties with the Democrats out front with their desires to accommodate them with the taxes of citizens and the republicans trying to play a shell game with the issue promising their constituents immigration limitations and border fences while turning right around and supporting amnesty once they're elected and assume office.

America at it's founding in the meantime was a British country with free British institutions and a constitutional republic of federalism minus the mob rule mentality of pure democracy which was implemented by men who considered the rights of Englishmen as absolutely essential. And these rights of Englishmen held by the founders were the main catalyst in america's war for Independence against the British crown and they never included any semblance of an idea of using mass immigration to repopulate and sustain the growth of the population of the country.

So how did the founders themselves really about using mass immigration to repopulate the country and grow the number of it's citizen inhabitants?

Here are some of their quotes.


"Why should Pennsylvania founded by the English become a colony of aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us, instead of Anglifying them, and will never adopt our language or customs any more than they can acquire our complexion?"

- Benjamin Franklin


"Are there no inconveniences to be thrown into the scale against the advantage expected by a multiplication of numbers by the importation of foreigners? It is for the happiness of those united in society to harmonize as much as possible, in matters which they must of necessity transact together. Civil government being the sole object of forming societies, it's administration must be conducted by common consent. Our government was a composition of the freest principles of the English Constitution, with others, derived from natural right and reason. Nothing could be more opposed to the principles of our government than those of absolute monarchies. But it was from such regimes that we can expect the most immigrants. suppose 20 millions of republican Americans were thrown all of a sudden into France, what would be the condition of that kingdom? If it would be more turbulent, less happy, less strong, we may believe that the addition of half a million of foreigners to our present numbers would produce a similar effect here."

- Thomas Jefferson



"To render the people of this country as homogeneous as possible, must tend as much as any other circumstance to the permanence of their union and posterity. prudence requires us to trace the history further and ask what has become of the nations of savages (The Native American Indians) who exercised this policy, and who now occupies the territory which they then inhabited? Perhaps a lesson here taught which not ought to be despised." (Meaning the Native American Indians had a severe immigration problem.)

- Alexander Hamilton


"Except for useful mechanics and some particular descriptions of men or professions, there is no need of encouragement of immigration, while the policy or advantage of its taking place in a body ( I mean the settling of them in a body.) may be much questioned; for by so doing, they retain the language, habits, and principles (good or bad) which they bring with them."

- George Washington


"It was the practice of the emigrants from Scotland to bring with them certificates from the religious societies to which they belonged, of their honesty, sobriety, and generally of their good Character! Why should we not require some such document from all emigrants, and it would be well to add to the testimonial that the person to whom it was granted was not expelled from his country and had not been convicted of any crime."

- Rufus King, delegate to the Constitutional Convention from Massachusetts.



"For all it's diversity, the United States consisted essentially of people whose religious and cultural traits were broadly similar and compatible, rather than widely divergent and a potential threat to social commodity. Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people - a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar to their manners and customs."


- John Jay,the first chief justice of the United States.


In other words, it was believed from the very founding of this country that america had the right of exclusion and america was never intended to be a dumping ground for the world's third world immigrants who come here in groups along with their own cultures intact good or bad with full expectations of social services awarded to them at the expense of american taxpayers upon their arrival.

THE TRUTH.

The founding fathers themselves were generally wary of immigration obviously from the quoted examples I provided above and many of them warned about the consequences for the United States if immigration levels weren't limited. In today's child hostile american society where anti pro creation feminists and family planning are going along in harmony with mass immigration, it's important to point out that what is transpiring in america was never imagined by this nation's founding generation and the subsequent generations that followed knowing that immigration from foreign lands always required along with it, assimilation into a distinct American culture for Americans and by Americans.
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It is rational to note that many/most of our founders also believed that America’s aborigines and folks of other colors were less than human and that women were property. You use the founders as evidence of what should be, but you ignore the “truer” Americans that were here before our nation’s founding.

What was the American Aborigine’s opinion on immigration of white Englishmen and the human colored beast of burden they brought with them?

Apparently, the nation’s borders men have carved out of God’s property are always open to conquest by folks searching for a better life, longing for property rights, religious freedom, wealth and opportunity.

Should we condemn others for what our ancestors did? Or should we eliminate taxpayer’s supported government socialism and thereby expect and even demand that every able-body here earn for themselves their right to be here?
 
Classic Liberal said:
It is rational to note that many/most of our founders also believed that America’s aborigines and folks of other colors were less than human and that women were property. You use the founders as evidence of what should be, but you ignore the “truer” Americans that were here before our nation’s founding.

What was the American Aborigine’s opinion on immigration of white Englishmen and the human colored beast of burden they brought with them?

Apparently, the nation’s borders men have carved out of God’s property are always open to conquest by folks searching for a better life, longing for property rights, religious freedom, wealth and opportunity.

Should we condemn others for what our ancestors did? Or should we eliminate taxpayer’s supported government socialism and thereby expect and even demand that every able-body here earn for themselves their right to be here?
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I never did any such thing. I provided a quote from Hamilton about the native Americans having an immigration problem. Stop trying to discredit what the founders thought about mass immigration from other cultures having a severe negative effect on the newly formed american nation with your G damned race card.

You're going college boy now and you're diverting the topic on account of 18th century attitudes on race which were universal beliefs which had no bearing on the concerns by the founders on mass immigration.
 
The only way you're going to stop mass cultural immigration is to not give any incentive at all to these third world immigrants to come here and that means cutting off all their social services and in that way, they will have no real reason to relocate here. Otherwise, both political parties don't have either the guts to do it or the incentive because both are enslaved to their special interest voting blocs. Especially the republicans who are trying to play both ends of the stick by lying about it to the voters in order to get elected. Their special interests are rich elites who want cheap labor to increase their profits for their businesses and cheap labor to clean their houses and their swimming pools.
 
Many of them owned slaves so it is not as if we should make a religion with them as the leaders. But, their views on immigration were a little more nuanced than philly (or Tom Woddds) pretends...

"He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners: refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither." DofI

"Shall we refuse the unhappy fugitives from distress that hospitality which the savages of the wilderness extended to our fathers arriving in this land? Shall op- pressed humanity find no asylum on this globe? The Constitution, indeed, has wisely provided that, for admission to certain offices of important trust, a residence shall be required sufficient to develop character and design. But might not the general character and capabilities of a citizen be safely communicated to every one manifesting a bonafide purpose of embarking his life and fortunes permanently with us?" (from Jefferson's first inaugural address in relation to those who wanted a 14 years residency requirement for immigrants to attain citizenship).

"Our ancestors... possessed a right, which nature has given to all men, of departing from the country in which chance, not choice, has placed them, of going in quest of new habitations, and of there establishing new societies, under such laws and regulations as, to them, shall seem most likely to promote public happiness." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. ME 1:185, Papers 1:121

"It [has] been the wise policy of these states to extend the protection of their laws to all those who should settle among them of whatever nation or religion they might be and to admit them to a participation of the benefits of civil and religious freedom, and... the benevolence of this practice as well as its salutary effects [has] rendered it worthy of being continued in future times." --Thomas Jefferson: Proclamation, 1781. Papers 4:505

"Strangers are welcome because there is room enough for them all, and therefore the old Inhabitants are not jealous of them; the Laws protect them sufficiently so that they have no need of the Patronage of great Men; and every one will enjoy securely the Profits of his Industry. But if he does not bring a Fortune with him, he must work and be industrious to live." Benjamin Franklin, To Those Who Would Remove to America

"The bosom of America is open to receive not only the Opulent and respectable Stranger, but the oppressed and persecuted of all Nations and Religions; whom we shall welcome to a participation of all our rights and privileges, if by decency and propriety of conduct they appear to merit the enjoyment." George Washington Address to the Members of the Volunteer Association of Ireland

"[L]et the poor the needy and oppressed of the Earth, and those who want Land, resort to the fertile plains of our western country, the second land of Promise, and there dwell in peace, fulfilling the first and great commandment." George Washington letter to David Humphreys


"I had always hoped that this land might become a safe and agreeable asylum to the virtuous and persecuted part of mankind, to whatever nation they might belong." George Washington letter to Francis Van der Kamp
 
philly rabbit said:
The only way you're going to stop mass cultural immigration is to not give any incentive at all to these third world immigrants to come here and that means cutting off all their social services and in that way, they will have no real reason to relocate here. Otherwise, both political parties don't have either the guts to do it or the incentive because both are enslaved to their special interest voting blocs. Especially the republicans who are trying to play both ends of the stick by lying about it to the voters in order to get elected. Their special interests are rich elites who want cheap labor to increase their profits for their businesses and cheap labor to clean their houses and their swimming pools.
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the democrats just want the fucking votes. well, that and the ability to facilitate cheap living conditions for their simpleton hordes.
 
patriot66 said:
let me splain, all the other things libs run on are dead horses, abortion, income inequality, environmental, so they need a new ploy, a new niche of voters, so what do they do yell race about everything, and court the latino vote by doing what, say it with me, giving them stuff.
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Still incoherent babbling.
 
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