A developer, his deals and his ties to McCain

He's dirty? This shows he dirty? If that's your definition of dirty then I would never vote again because there isn't a clean politician alive.

He’s as dirty as they come. His entire campaign staff is made up of lobbyists working for him for “free”. At the same time he is claiming he’s the maverick who doesn’t truck with lobbyists. He’s a liar, and he’s been bought and paid for.

But that’s not the point. That’ll all start getting more coverage as soon as this retarded show is over between Hillary and Obama. The point is, neither you or SF care. None of you do. You just pretend that you don’t see it. “It’s not true!” See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. It’s a big pretense so that you can vote for him. You did the same thing with bush. It’s history repeating itself and it’s really stupid to have to watch partisan hacks pretend they are concerned one way or the other.
 
McCain sponsored the bill that got Diamond his money. Did he TELL anyone that he and Diamond were in the throws of a "love fest"? I use those words only to show that as far as Diamond is concerned he and McCain were closer than the typical Senator/Constituent are. Fuck Binghaman and Domenici don't know my name but I AM a constituent. If McCain came clean and said to everyone, "I am sponsoring this legislation because I have a really close relationship with him and I would LOVE to see him really profit from it" then I might find your "it's the dems fault that it passed" more credible, but I am pretty sure he didn't do that soooo, sounds like influence peddling to me.

You quote Diamonds "love fest" comment.... why not these...

"McCain once publicly criticized Diamond as lobbying too hard for his own financial interests. In 1995, McCain called it "unheard of" that Diamond had hired a Washington lobbyist to try to block construction of a U.S. government building in Tucson that threatened to take away some of his rental income. "I didn't talk to him for one year," Diamond said of McCain. "I was annoyed."


"He said he often complained to McCain that he was "too straight" about refusing to provide U.S. government help for Arizona businessmen. "I tell him, 'You are an Arizona senator besides being the world senator. Loosen up, kid!' ""

By the way... anyone know what the land that was sold is worth today?
 
Again twit.... I am talking about brokering a meeting.... to broker a meeting IS NOT simply setting up the meeting. You should try to understand the terminology you are using. It will help you avoid using the terms incorrectly.

Pulled strings? As in making introductions? Siding with Diamond some times and against him at others? That is pulling strings? Or is it McCain is going with the projects he thinks are beneficial and going against the ones he thinks are not beneficial?


You're an obtuse fuck. This is why I didn't want to bother going through the fucking exercise. It all ends up with you saying dumbass things like, "except for arranging the meeting that resulted in Diamond getting a ridiculous deal on prime Monterey property and sponsoring multiple pieces of the legislation that benefited Mr. Diamond to the tune of several tens of millions of dollars, you have no evidence that he has done anything to benefit Mr. Diamond?"

I'd rather not do it.
 
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He’s as dirty as they come. His entire campaign staff is made up of lobbyists working for him for “free”. At the same time he is claiming he’s the maverick who doesn’t truck with lobbyists. He’s a liar, and he’s been bought and paid for.

But that’s not the point. That’ll all start getting more coverage as soon as this retarded show is over between Hillary and Obama. The point is, neither you or SF care. None of you do. You just pretend that you don’t see it. “It’s not true!” See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. It’s a big pretense so that you can vote for him. You did the same thing with bush. It’s history repeating itself and it’s really stupid to have to watch partisan hacks pretend they are concerned one way or the other.

Sounds to me like its not the partisanship that bothers you its that its not for who you support.

If you set up a spread sheet between McCain and Obama and list where they stand on the issues and then have character and all that included I'm going to be closer to McCain than I am Obama. It doesn't mean I like everything about McCain and it doesn't mean I disilke everything about Obama.

You want your candidate to win so of course you will emphasize your oppenents flaws and downplay the person you supports flaws. That's only natural.

I'm not on this site posting a million positive things about McCain or posting a bunch of negative Obama pieces. I'm not swooning over McCain like some on here are about Obama like he's a savior who brings me to tears.

Yeah, I have right leaning political beliefs. I don't deny it. As much as I don't want to be I also said I'm partisan. I'm not trying to pretend to be what I'm not.

But to attempt to say I'm evil if I vote for McCain or I'm somehow so different than other partisans on here doesn't resonate with me.
 
You know I am tired of hearing how we SWOON over Obama like he is our savior. We have had to put up with the dumb fuck that YOU on the right voted for and his fucked up foreign policy and his backward ass views of science and how he has single handedly destroyed US credibility. Then we see that McCain is going to continue with the same fucking thing. Yeah, some of us are more than just optimistic, some of us our overly giddy. But after 8 years of wandering lost in the desert, we would like to NOT have to continue to live here for another 4 years.
 
You're an obtuse fuck. This is why I didn't want to bother going through the fucking exercise. It all ends up with you saying dumbass things like, "except for arranging the meeting that resulted in Diamond getting a ridiculous deal on prime Monterey property and sponsoring multiple pieces of the legislation that benefited Mr. Diamond to the tune of several tens of millions of dollars, you have no evidence that he has done anything to benefit Mr. Diamond?"

I'd rather not do it.

You are such a pathetic fuck... instead of actually quoting what I said, you go off on your little strawmen bullshit.

Show me a piece of legisltation in which no one benefitted. The point you tool is that McCain supported legislation when he thought it was ALSO in the interest of the state and OPPOSED Diamond when he thought it was not.

You conveniently ignore the fact that he also opposed Diamond on other issues. You conveniently ignore the fact that the state also benefited from the transaction. You conveniently pretend to ignore that I said that yes Diamond benefitted from the legislation.

You continue to remain in your ignorance on the definition of brokering a meeting. Setting up a meeting is not brokering it you pathetic piece of dog shit. See I can call names too you obtuse fuck.
 
You know I am tired of hearing how we SWOON over Obama like he is our savior. We have had to put up with the dumb fuck that YOU on the right voted for and his fucked up foreign policy and his backward ass views of science and how he has single handedly destroyed US credibility. Then we see that McCain is going to continue with the same fucking thing. Yeah, some of us are more than just optimistic, some of us our overly giddy. But after 8 years of wandering lost in the desert, we would like to NOT have to continue to live here for another 4 years.

When people state here that he has brought them to tears by speaking that is imo more than normal political support. When there is talk of an Obama revolution and movement and he transcends etc. at times is over the top rhetoric. I'm not referring to the normal support which is to be expected.
 
You know I am tired of hearing how we SWOON over Obama like he is our savior. We have had to put up with the dumb fuck that YOU on the right voted for and his fucked up foreign policy and his backward ass views of science and how he has single handedly destroyed US credibility. Then we see that McCain is going to continue with the same fucking thing. Yeah, some of us are more than just optimistic, some of us our overly giddy. But after 8 years of wandering lost in the desert, we would like to NOT have to continue to live here for another 4 years.

I have no problem with people liking Obama or singing his praises. Does it run a bit deep at times? Yes. But it is understandable given the very reasons you state above. I think he is a good candidate. I just think McCain is a better candidate. McCains views on science are not the same as Bush. McCain would be far better at foreign policy than Bush has been. (not that that is saying much). I know that the current left mantra is that McCain is the same as Bush, please tell me you have not partaken of that kool-aid induced stupidity.
 
You are such a pathetic fuck... instead of actually quoting what I said, you go off on your little strawmen bullshit.

Show me a piece of legisltation in which no one benefitted. The point you tool is that McCain supported legislation when he thought it was ALSO in the interest of the state and OPPOSED Diamond when he thought it was not.

You conveniently ignore the fact that he also opposed Diamond on other issues. You conveniently ignore the fact that the state also benefited from the transaction. You conveniently pretend to ignore that I said that yes Diamond benefitted from the legislation.

You continue to remain in your ignorance on the definition of brokering a meeting. Setting up a meeting is not brokering it you pathetic piece of dog shit. See I can call names too you obtuse fuck.



How it is in the interests of anyone other than Donald Diamond for a portion of his property to be purchased by the federal government for tens of millions of dollars is beyond me altogether. As is the federal government selling real estate on Monterey Bay for $250,000 together with choice water rights.

Then again, I'm sure McCain just wanted the government to add public lands in the one instance (specifically mapped out to take some of Diamond's land while adding value to the portion he retained) and just wanted the government to dispose of public lands in the other (and happen to sell it for a pittance to his friend).

I realize he may have ignored Diamond on other issues. I guess it shows you that greasing a politician can only get you so much. Several tens of millions of dollars ought to be enough for whatever the campaign contributions were. Have you calculated that rate of return?
 
I have no problem with people liking Obama or singing his praises. Does it run a bit deep at times? Yes. But it is understandable given the very reasons you state above. I think he is a good candidate. I just think McCain is a better candidate. McCains views on science are not the same as Bush. McCain would be far better at foreign policy than Bush has been. (not that that is saying much). I know that the current left mantra is that McCain is the same as Bush, please tell me you have not partaken of that kool-aid induced stupidity.
No I don't think he will be the same as Bush in all foreign policy but I do think he will continue to expose our military to "death by a thousand cuts" and slow bleed the military to the point of exhaustion. I think he is actually more likely to extend this thing into Iran with that same tired military. But I also think that he will do much to mend fences with Europe, with the exception of Russia.
 
How it is in the interests of anyone other than Donald Diamond for a portion of his property to be purchased by the federal government for tens of millions of dollars is beyond me altogether. As is the federal government selling real estate on Monterey Bay for $250,000 together with choice water rights.

Then again, I'm sure McCain just wanted the government to add public lands in the one instance (specifically mapped out to take some of Diamond's land while adding value to the portion he retained) and just wanted the government to dispose of public lands in the other (and happen to sell it for a pittance to his friend).

I realize he may have ignored Diamond on other issues. I guess it shows you that greasing a politician can only get you so much. Several tens of millions of dollars ought to be enough for whatever the campaign contributions were. Have you calculated that rate of return?

Did you even read the damn article? The environmentalists liked the deal. The conservationists liked the deal. The state liked the deal. Why? Because it increased the amount of land in the national park and protected it from development.

$23 million for land that is worth WHAT today? Do you think it is more or less than the government paid for it?

As for the CA deal.... no question... I think the army gave him a sweet deal. he then invested another 9.75 million into developing the land and tripled his money on the resale. I suppose you have never seen a developer buy a vacant property for far less than he/she gets upon resale of the same land after development. Again, I think they could have gotten a lot more from him. But you are pretending that McCain somehow influenced the price. Please show me just one bit of evidence that he did so.

"may have ignored" Diamond on other issues? The article says he publically admonished him for being self serving and that Diamond didn't talk to him for a year as a result. But yeah.... lets pretend that wasn't in the article either...
 
No I don't think he will be the same as Bush in all foreign policy but I do think he will continue to expose our military to "death by a thousand cuts" and slow bleed the military to the point of exhaustion. I think he is actually more likely to extend this thing into Iran with that same tired military. But I also think that he will do much to mend fences with Europe, with the exception of Russia.

Not to be argumentative... but what makes you believe he will push for a military move into Iran?
 
Did you even read the damn article? The environmentalists liked the deal. The conservationists liked the deal. The state liked the deal. Why? Because it increased the amount of land in the national park and protected it from development.

$23 million for land that is worth WHAT today? Do you think it is more or less than the government paid for it?

As for the CA deal.... no question... I think the army gave him a sweet deal. he then invested another 9.75 million into developing the land and tripled his money on the resale. I suppose you have never seen a developer buy a vacant property for far less than he/she gets upon resale of the same land after development. Again, I think they could have gotten a lot more from him. But you are pretending that McCain somehow influenced the price. Please show me just one bit of evidence that he did so.

"may have ignored" Diamond on other issues? The article says he publically admonished him for being self serving and that Diamond didn't talk to him for a year as a result. But yeah.... lets pretend that wasn't in the article either...


1) I read the article. And hey, maybe it was int he best interest of the state to get the land at the $5 million that the environmentalists were valuing it at, but six times that amount is an entirely different story.

2) I realize that Diamond developed the land. I also realize that that is what developers do. However, you cannot legitimately argue that at a public sale this land, which was in a ridiculous location in Monterey, California, along with highly coveted water rights, would not have fetched well in excess of $250,000. It's laughable.

3) I realize it was in the article, but really, after getting such sweetheart deals, what more could the guy ask for and McCain provide without it looking ridiculous?
 
Did you even read the damn article? The environmentalists liked the deal. The conservationists liked the deal. The state liked the deal. Why? Because it increased the amount of land in the national park and protected it from development.

$23 million for land that is worth WHAT today? Do you think it is more or less than the government paid for it?

As for the CA deal.... no question... I think the army gave him a sweet deal. he then invested another 9.75 million into developing the land and tripled his money on the resale. I suppose you have never seen a developer buy a vacant property for far less than he/she gets upon resale of the same land after development. Again, I think they could have gotten a lot more from him. But you are pretending that McCain somehow influenced the price. Please show me just one bit of evidence that he did so.

"may have ignored" Diamond on other issues? The article says he publically admonished him for being self serving and that Diamond didn't talk to him for a year as a result. But yeah.... lets pretend that wasn't in the article either...

This subject is interesting because there have been recent government land purchases in the Bay Area that environmentalists claimed as a victory in the press because they made more land undevelopable. Now I want to go back and see if I can find who sold the land etc.
 
How it is in the interests of anyone other than Donald Diamond for a portion of his property to be purchased by the federal government for tens of millions of dollars is beyond me altogether. As is the federal government selling real estate on Monterey Bay for $250,000 together with choice water rights.

Then again, I'm sure McCain just wanted the government to add public lands in the one instance (specifically mapped out to take some of Diamond's land while adding value to the portion he retained) and just wanted the government to dispose of public lands in the other (and happen to sell it for a pittance to his friend).

I realize he may have ignored Diamond on other issues. I guess it shows you that greasing a politician can only get you so much. Several tens of millions of dollars ought to be enough for whatever the campaign contributions were. Have you calculated that rate of return?

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/22/new-york-times-goes-after-mccain-again-with-similar-results/

New York Times goes after McCain again, with similar results
posted at 9:15 am on April 22, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Jim Rutenberg has a new beat at the New York Times, and it must be called the Get McCain desk. He co-wrote the abominable story about Vicki Iseman in February that attempted to insinuate that McCain had traded legislative favors for sexual favors, only his story didn’t have a shred of evidence of either. Today, in another page-one blockbuster, Rutenberg claims that McCain gave out legislative favors in land-swap deals — but fails to mention that they had widespread support from legislators, businessmen, and environmentalists.

Here’s the heart of the story:

A longtime political patron, Mr. Diamond is one of the elite fund-raisers Mr. McCain’s current presidential campaign calls Innovators, having raised more than $250,000 so far. At home, Mr. Diamond is sometimes referred to as “The Donald,” Arizona’s answer to Donald Trump — an outsized personality who invites public officials aboard his flotilla of yachts (the Ace, King, Jack and Queen of Diamonds), specializes in deals with the government, and unabashedly solicits support for his business interests from the recipients of his campaign contributions.

Mr. McCain has occasionally rebuffed Mr. Diamond’s entreaties as inappropriate, but he has also taken steps that benefited his friend’s real estate empire. Their 26-year relationship illuminates how Mr. McCain weighs requests from a benefactor against his vows, adopted after a brush with scandal two decades ago, not to intercede with government authorities on behalf of a donor or take other official action that serves no clear public interest.

In California, the McCain aide’s assistance with the Army helped Mr. Diamond complete a purchase in 1999 that he soon turned over for a $20 million profit. And Mr. McCain’s letter of recommendation reinforced Mr. Diamond’s selling point about his McCain connections as he pursued — and won in 2005 — a potentially much more lucrative deal to develop a resort hotel and luxury housing.

In Arizona, Mr. McCain has helped Mr. Diamond with matters as small as forwarding a complaint in a regulatory skirmish over the endangered pygmy owl, and as large as introducing legislation remapping public lands. In 1991 and 1994, Mr. McCain sponsored two laws sought by Mr. Diamond that resulted in providing him millions of dollars and thousands of acres in exchange for adding some of his properties to national parks. The Arizona senator co-sponsored a third similar bill now before the Senate.

First, let’s congratulate Rutenberg on his interest in land deals involving the Senate. Unfortunately, he chose the wrong target. Despite several investigations by the AP and the Los Angeles Times, Rutenberg failed to cover or even mention the land deals that directly benefited Harry Reid personally, fueled by land swaps he explicitly sponsored. I wrote about this extensively in 2006, including in a column for the New York Post. Reid’s family got employed by his partner in these deals and both Reid and his family made a lot of money off the sale of federally-owned land.

None of that happened here. In fact, the legislation McCain sponsored didn’t require the sale of the parcels at issue in Rutenberg’s article at all. It authorized the Secretary of the Interior to swap land as deemed necessary and beneficial. Neither McCain nor his family had any personal stake in the land deals that Donald Diamond negotiated with Interior, nor did McCain write legislation requiring Interior to sell anything at all to Diamond. Rutenberg carefully constructs this allegation for deniability:

Mr. McCain has been willing, though, to help sponsor bills authorizing federal land exchanges that Mr. Diamond sought.

Do you notice how that’s phrased? Rutenberg hedges his allegation by noting that McCain sponsored bills that authorized land exchanges, not mandated them. In fact, land exchanges are rather common, and get conducted frequently to add territory to federal park areas. Even Rutenberg notes that they usually serve the public interest. He also reports that the GAO advised Congress to discontinue them, but that was six years after the last of the two bills that McCain sponsored.

In the events, McCain’s legislation had broad support from both business interests and the environmental community. The Sierra Club endorsed both bills at the time, although Rutenberg has them complaining now. The Tucson Audubon Society supported the 1994 bill, which makes the pygmy owl issue rather moot (McCain has supported the protection of the pygmy owl). The National Parks and Conservation Association also backed both bills.

The rest of the article gets into what could best be described as “constituent services”. Rutenberg makes a mountain out of the molehill of McCain’s letters of recommendation for Diamond. In the letter regarding Fort Ord and the sale of golf courses, McCain included the following proviso:

Let me state at the outset that I desire no action to be taken on this matter which would be inconsistent with existing rules, regulations, and ethical guidelines, or that could possibly be construed as unfair or inappropriate. Nor do I expect preferential treatment for any single interest. I expect only such action which is in the best interests of the country.

McCain also refused to make phone calls to the city of Seaside on behalf of Diamond. Letters of recommendation for a constituent in a business deal hardly rises to the level of intercession, but a phone call would have been seen as exactly the kind of intervention McCain finds inappropriate. Despite Diamond’s status as a contributor to his campaigns, McCain refused to take that kind of action, and Diamond proceeded on his own.

The entire article contains nothing more than innuendo and absolutely no evidence of any wrongdoing. If two innocuous bills from 14 and 17 years ago are all that Rutenberg can dig up on McCain, then Bill Keller may have to start looking for someone else to man the Get McCain desk. The Times has certainly come up with nothing so far.

Update: Here’s a PDF of the support letters and public statements of the environmental lobby. Note this from the Sierra Club, in the Arizona Republic:

I regret to say that The Republic’s recent reporting on the proposed addition of 3,500 acres to Saguaro National Monument near Tucson is way off base by trying to make a straight-forward project seem like dirty politics. Congressional legislation to authorize the addition would be in the public interest. …

To suggest that our congressional delegation is cynically responding to big-money interests by sponsoring this legislation obscures the merits of the proposal. It is simply without merit. …

Rob Smith, Southwest Representative, Sierra Club

So in October 1990, the Sierra Club lauded McCain for his work on these expansions. In 2008, they try to smear him with them, working with Rutenberg to do so. Niiiiiiice.

Update II: Some of my e-mail have legitimate points in response to this:

* The letter I quoted for Diamond did not contain that disclaimer; that was from an unrelated letter on another matter. If so, it doesn’t mitigate the Diamond letter, but neither is the Diamond letter an intervention in any sense of the word. It’s a character reference, whose impact is certainly debatable — and also open for criticism.

Should members of Congress write these kinds of letters? Most of them do, if not all of them. Should McCain get singled out for criticism for it? Well, he’s running for the Presidency, and that does come with the territory.

* I don’t think it’s unfair to put a spotlight on McCain’s activities as a Senator. The tone and tenor of this article, however — especially in the first few paragraphs of the story — strongly implies some kind of wrongdoing, which the article then fails to deliver. If meant as a think piece on how McCain tries to balance his unusually high ethical standards with protecting constituents and trying to represent Arizonans, it doesn’t find its voice until after the jump. In that, it’s very reminiscent of the Iseman story from February.
* The Times reports on the Sierra Club’s ex post facto criticism of the deals without ever noting SC’s contemporaneous support for them — and their public defense of the land swaps in October 1990. That would have presented a more open and honest look at the motivations of McCain and other sponsors of the legislation that the Times highlighted in this article, and perhaps could have called into question the motives of the Sierra Club in badmouthing them today.

Just as with any critcism by a blogger, readers should follow the link and decide for themselves whether I’m on point or off base.
 
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