A Tea Party of Stalinists

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While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
The Authoritarians - Robert Altmeyer, Associate Professor of Psychology at the University of Manitoba.
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When the ‘tea partiers’ say “we want our country back”, what do they mean by ‘our’?

Polls show the ‘tea party’ is a fringe group diametrically opposed to mainstream America. Among all Americans, George W. Bush has a 27/58 positive/negative favorable rating. Among the ‘tea party’ he's viewed favorably, 57/27. An almost perfect diametrical difference.

Is there any precedent in history of today’s the ‘tea party’?

The answer is YES…a parallel to the 'Tea Party" occurred in Russia in the late 1980's. Russian conservatives, the Stalinists, wanted 'their' country back. It was an alliance including xenophobic fringe groups and nationalists who yearned for what they saw as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.

And like today’s ‘tea partiers’, they wanted their authoritarian leader back.
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February 27, 1989

Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev's Policies

MOSCOW, Feb. 26— Russian conservatives, uneasy with the liberalization of Soviet society under Mikhail S. Gorbachev, have seized on the country's experiment in more democratic elections as a chance to fight for a return to more authoritarian ways.

While many candidates and voters say they view the elections to the new Congress of Deputies as a way to further the candor and freedoms allowed by the Soviet leader, conservatives in this city and around the country were boasting last week that they had already succeeded in blocking the nomination of several prominent people regarded as liberals.

A Disparate Alliance
The conservatives are a disparate alliance, including xenophobic fringe groups, like Pamyat, as well as large numbers of less extreme nationalists who yearn for what they see as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.

Nikita F. Zherbin, head of the Leningrad chapter of Pamyat, delighted in the fact that Mr. Korotich had been forced off the ballot in Moscow's Sverdlovsk region, and described this as the first successful step in the conservative campaign to use the elections as a vehicle for its political ideas.

'I Am a Stalinist'
''We brought our case to the people, and the outcome speaks for us,'' said Mr. Zherbin, whose group regards the liberalization of Soviet society as a conspiracy by Jews, Masons and Westernizers.

Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev's Policies
 
"They" want their country back.

It was never "theirs".

Its the American peoples country and they are but a small slice of America.
 
Damocles said:
Gallup Poll... Tea Partiers are "Fairly Mainstream"... I know you figure you can say anything and nobody will know you are just making crap up, but come on. People on sites like this are fairly plugged in to things like this.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/T...cation&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=Politics
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Fairly mainstream Damocles, to WHOM...John Birchers, white supremacists???

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

HERE is how the 'tea party' launched their first national convention...

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Among all Americans, George W. Bush has 27/58 positive/negative favorable rating. Among tea partiers he's viewed favorably, 57/27.

Among all Americans, the Democratic Party has a net negative, 42/50 favorable rating. Among tea partiers the split is 6/92 -- only six percent have a favorable view.

Among all Americans, the Republican Party is viewed a little less favorably than the Democrats -- 38/53. Among tea partiers, it has a 54/43 favorable rating.

Among all Americans, the Bush administration takes the largest share -- 39 percent -- of the blame for the "current federal budget deficit." Only 6 percent of tea partiers blame Bush, while 24 percent blame President Obama and 37 percent blame Congress.

Tea partiers lean more heavily toward tax cuts (49 percent) than deficit reduction (42 percent). But while Americans would prefer that the government "spend money to create jobs" by a 50/42 margin, only 17 percent of tea partiers agree -- 76 percent want to cut the deficit.

Among all Americans, Glenn Beck is a divisive and not too well-known media figure. Only around half of them have heard of Beck, and those folks view him favorably, 18/17. Among tea partiers, Beck is wildly popular -- 59/6 favorable.

Among all Americans, Sarah Palin is wildly unpopular -- her negative/favorable rating is 30/45. But tea partiers adore her and give her a 66/12 favorable rating.

Eighty-eight percent disapprove of President Obama's performance on the job, compared to 40 percent of Americans overall. While half of Americans approve of Mr. Obama's job performance, just 7 percent of Tea Party supporters say he is doing a good job.

Sixty-four percent believe that the president has increased taxes for most Americans, despite the fact that the vast majority of Americans got a tax cut under the Obama administration. Thirty-four percent of the general public says the president has raised taxes on most Americans.

While most Americans (58 percent) say the president understands their needs and problems, just 24 percent of Tea Party supporters agree. Just one in five say the president shares the values of most Americans.

Only one percent of Tea Party supporters approve of the job Congress is doing, compared to 17 percent of Americans overall.

Twenty-four percent of Tea Party supporters say it is sometimes justified to take violent action against the government. That compares to 16 percent of Americans overall who say violence against the government is sometimes justified.

Sixty-three percent say they get the majority of their political and current events news on television from the Fox News Channel, compared to 23 percent of Americans overall. Forty-seven percent say television is their main source of Tea Party information, the top source; another 24 percent say they get Tea Party information from the internet.

An overwhelming majority of Tea Party supporters, 84 percent, say the views of the Tea Party movement reflect the views of most Americans. But Americans overall disagree: Just 25 percent say the Tea Party movement reflects their beliefs, while 36 percent say it does not.

Twenty-five percent of tea partiers say Obama's policies "favor blacks over whites," an opinion shared by only 11 percent of the country at large (89 percent of tea partiers are white).

New York Times/CBS News Poll: National Survey of Tea Party Supporters
 
Bfgrn said:
Fairly mainstream Damocles, to WHOM...John Birchers, white supremacists???

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

HERE is how the 'tea party' launched their first national convention...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_zZ2SQInrs

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Among all Americans, George W. Bush has 27/58 positive/negative favorable rating. Among tea partiers he's viewed favorably, 57/27.

Among all Americans, the Democratic Party has a net negative, 42/50 favorable rating. Among tea partiers the split is 6/92 -- only six percent have a favorable view.

Among all Americans, the Republican Party is viewed a little less favorably than the Democrats -- 38/53. Among tea partiers, it has a 54/43 favorable rating.

Among all Americans, the Bush administration takes the largest share -- 39 percent -- of the blame for the "current federal budget deficit." Only 6 percent of tea partiers blame Bush, while 24 percent blame President Obama and 37 percent blame Congress.

Tea partiers lean more heavily toward tax cuts (49 percent) than deficit reduction (42 percent). But while Americans would prefer that the government "spend money to create jobs" by a 50/42 margin, only 17 percent of tea partiers agree -- 76 percent want to cut the deficit.

Among all Americans, Glenn Beck is a divisive and not too well-known media figure. Only around half of them have heard of Beck, and those folks view him favorably, 18/17. Among tea partiers, Beck is wildly popular -- 59/6 favorable.

Among all Americans, Sarah Palin is wildly unpopular -- her negative/favorable rating is 30/45. But tea partiers adore her and give her a 66/12 favorable rating.

Eighty-eight percent disapprove of President Obama's performance on the job, compared to 40 percent of Americans overall. While half of Americans approve of Mr. Obama's job performance, just 7 percent of Tea Party supporters say he is doing a good job.

Sixty-four percent believe that the president has increased taxes for most Americans, despite the fact that the vast majority of Americans got a tax cut under the Obama administration. Thirty-four percent of the general public says the president has raised taxes on most Americans.

While most Americans (58 percent) say the president understands their needs and problems, just 24 percent of Tea Party supporters agree. Just one in five say the president shares the values of most Americans.

Only one percent of Tea Party supporters approve of the job Congress is doing, compared to 17 percent of Americans overall.

Twenty-four percent of Tea Party supporters say it is sometimes justified to take violent action against the government. That compares to 16 percent of Americans overall who say violence against the government is sometimes justified.

Sixty-three percent say they get the majority of their political and current events news on television from the Fox News Channel, compared to 23 percent of Americans overall. Forty-seven percent say television is their main source of Tea Party information, the top source; another 24 percent say they get Tea Party information from the internet.

An overwhelming majority of Tea Party supporters, 84 percent, say the views of the Tea Party movement reflect the views of most Americans. But Americans overall disagree: Just 25 percent say the Tea Party movement reflects their beliefs, while 36 percent say it does not.

Twenty-five percent of tea partiers say Obama's policies "favor blacks over whites," an opinion shared by only 11 percent of the country at large (89 percent of tea partiers are white).

New York Times/CBS News Poll: National Survey of Tea Party Supporters
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You say that then ignore the facts of the poll. Thank you for your contribution.
 
Damocles said:
You say that then ignore the facts of the poll. Thank you for your contribution.
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You say that then ignore the facts of the poll?

Gallup

Tea Partiers Are Fairly Mainstream in Their Demographics
Skew right politically, but have typical profile by age, education, and employment

Thank you for your contribution.

New York Times/CBS News Poll: National Survey of Tea Party Supporters

Tea Party Supporters: Who They Are and What They Believe

You say then ignore the fact that the tea party launched their first national convention with a racist rant? Thank you for your contribution.

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands.
Douglas Adams
 
Bfgrn said:
You say that then ignore the facts of the poll?

Gallup

Tea Partiers Are Fairly Mainstream in Their Demographics
Skew right politically, but have typical profile by age, education, and employment

Thank you for your contribution.

New York Times/CBS News Poll: National Survey of Tea Party Supporters

Tea Party Supporters: Who They Are and What They Believe

You say then ignore the fact that the tea party launched their first national convention with a racist rant? Thank you for your contribution.

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands.
Douglas Adams
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I would, however these people seem to look like Americans, walk like Americans and talk like Americans. It could be possible that while the movement "leans right" it is fairly mainstream as well. The fact is, that a large portion of America associates themselves with this movement, according to the poll. It is fairly mainstream, regardless of how badly you wish it wasn't.

So, by the standard of Douglas Adams, if it looks like an American, walks and talks like an American, it may behoove you to maybe think it might just be an American...
 
Damocles said:
I would, however these people seem to look like Americans, walk like Americans and talk like Americans. It could be possible that while the movement "leans right" it is fairly mainstream as well. The fact is, that a large portion of America associates themselves with this movement, according to the poll. It is fairly mainstream, regardless of how badly you wish it wasn't.

So, by the standard of Douglas Adams, if it looks like an American, walks and talks like an American, it may behoove you to maybe think it might just be an American...
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Yea Damo, they 'SEEM to look like Americans' because YOU are one of them. The mainstream of Americans are not birthers, Glenn Beckaholics and Fox News sheep. Mainstream America does not look favorably upon Bush and most of them know Obama inherited the economic mess we're in. Most Americans know Obama didn't raise anyone's taxes, he lowered them.

Why don't you READ the statistics before you open your trap?

On second thought Damo, maybe they do represent conservatives in this country; during the summer these 'tea partiers' were traveling the country from state to state on tour buses paid for by lobbyists while living off the public dole; collecting unemployment, social security and medicare, and rallying to cut off OTHER people's benefits.

The poster boy for you folks on the right today has to be the guy that said: Keep the government the hell out of health care, and don't touch my Medicare.

Tea party, the party of know nothingism.

"Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats that don't know what's going on"
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
 
In mid 2006, Bush's overall rating was 32% favorable, 67% unfavorable.

Among registered democrats, the split was 9% favorable, 91% unfavorable. So does this mean registered democrats are not mainstream?
 
Good Luck said:
In mid 2006, Bush's overall rating was 32% favorable, 67% unfavorable.

Among registered democrats, the split was 9% favorable, 91% unfavorable. So does this mean registered democrats are not mainstream?
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It means liberal are smarter and were way ahead of the curve, because Bush's final ratings were the lowest in history for a departing president.

(CBS) President Bush will leave office as one of the most unpopular departing presidents in history, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll showing Mr. Bush's final approval rating at 22 percent.

Seventy-three percent say they disapprove of the way Mr. Bush has handled his job as president over the last eight years.
 
Good Luck said:
In mid 2006, Bush's overall rating was 32% favorable, 67% unfavorable.

Among registered democrats, the split was 9% favorable, 91% unfavorable. So does this mean registered democrats are not mainstream?
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Bingo! So far Bfgrn has made a strong argument that Tea Baggers are outside the mainstream and I do believe he is right. However you've just made the only valid counter argument and yes, I'd have to agree that the majority of partisan democrats are outside of the mainstream too. I think stats show that about 40% of the voting public are either partisan dems or repubs meaning that both extremes are outside of the mainstream.

Of course that does bring up a difficult question. What the hell is "mainstream"?
 
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Mott the Hoople said:
Bingo! So far Bfgrn has made a strong argument that Tea Baggers are outside the mainstream and I do believe he is right. However you've just made the only valid counter argument and yes, I'd have to agree that the majority of partisan democrats are outside of the mainstream too. I think stats show that about 40% of the voting public are either partisan dems or repubs meaning that both extremes are outside of the mainstream.

Of course that does bring up a difficult question. What the hell is "mainstream"?
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It is not a valid point. It just shows that the right is deeply entrenched in ideology and dogma. Bush was a horrible president. Eventually even Republicans began to see it as the final polls show. It has nothing to do with party, it has to do with his failed performance.

Bfgrn said:
It means liberal are smarter and were way ahead of the curve, because Bush's final ratings were the lowest in history for a departing president.

(CBS) President Bush will leave office as one of the most unpopular departing presidents in history, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll showing Mr. Bush's final approval rating at 22 percent.

Seventy-three percent say they disapprove of the way Mr. Bush has handled his job as president over the last eight years.
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Bfgrn said:
It means liberal are smarter and were way ahead of the curve, because Bush's final ratings were the lowest in history for a departing president.

(CBS) President Bush will leave office as one of the most unpopular departing presidents in history, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll showing Mr. Bush's final approval rating at 22 percent.

Seventy-three percent say they disapprove of the way Mr. Bush has handled his job as president over the last eight years.
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Don't you mean Marxist when you say liberal?
 
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/liberal


lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.
a. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
b. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
5.


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fas·cism[ fá shìzzəm ]NOUN
1. dictatorial movement: any movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism







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Marx·ism[ mrk sìzzəm ]NOUN
1. Marx's theories: the political and economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, in which class struggle is a central element in the analysis of social change in Western societies
2. politics based on Marx's theories: political ideology based on the theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels
 
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