Liberty
Libertarian Minded
I know that evince. I'm referring to the progressive marxist that call themselves liberal to make themselves sound like the opposite of what they are.
A Tea Party of Stalinists
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I know that evince. I'm referring to the progressive marxist that call themselves liberal to make themselves sound like the opposite of what they are.
Bfgrn
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What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."
But first, I would like to say what I understand the word "Liberal" to mean and explain in the process why I consider myself to be a "Liberal"
This is my political credo:
I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man's ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.
I believe also in the United States of America, in the promise that it contains and has contained throughout our history of producing a society so abundant and creative and so free and responsible that it cannot only fulfill the aspirations of its citizens, but serve equally well as a beacon for all mankind. I do not believe in a superstate. I see no magic in tax dollars which are sent to Washington and then returned. I abhor the waste and incompetence of large-scale federal bureaucracies in this administration as well as in others. I do not favor state compulsion when voluntary individual effort can do the job and do it well. But I believe in a government which acts, which exercises its full powers and full responsibilities. Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them.
Our responsibility is not discharged by announcement of virtuous ends. Our responsibility is to achieve these objectives with social invention, with political skill, and executive vigor. I believe for these reasons that liberalism is our best and only hope in the world today. For the liberal society is a free society, and it is at the same time and for that reason a strong society. Its strength is drawn from the will of free people committed to great ends and peacefully striving to meet them. Only liberalism, in short, can repair our national power, restore our national purpose, and liberate our national energies. And the only basic issue in the 1960 campaign is whether our government will fall in a conservative rut and die there, or whether we will move ahead in the liberal spirit of daring, of breaking new ground, of doing in our generation what Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson did in their time of influence and responsibility.
Our liberalism has its roots in our diverse origins. Most of us are descended from that segment of the American population which was once called an immigrant minority. Today, along with our children and grandchildren, we do not feel minor. We feel proud of our origins and we are not second to any group in our sense of national purpose. For many years New York represented the new frontier to all those who came from the ends of the earth to find new opportunity and new freedom, generations of men and women who fled from the despotism of the czars, the horrors of the Nazis, the tyranny of hunger, who came here to the new frontier in the State of New York. These men and women, a living cross section of American history, indeed, a cross section of the entire world's history of pain and hope, made of this city not only a new world of opportunity, but a new world of the spirit as well.
Acceptance Speech of the New York Liberal Party Nomination
John F. Kennedy
September 14, 1960
Crashk
Unite or Die
Every time you refer to American liberals as Marxist or Socialists your brainwashing is showing. Liberals in this country know the difference, you believe Hannity and Beck and just repeat what they want you to believe. The truth is liberals have not changed in over 100 years, but your party has moved so far to the right that to Faux 'journalists' the middle looks like socialism to them, or at least that's what they want YOU to believe. Christ, today Eisenhower would be labeled a socialist by the same military/industrial complex he warned us about.
"We want our country back"
We: citizens
want: desire strongly
our: see We
country: meant to represent the control our elected officials have with respect to laws enacted, taxes levied, etc...
back: back to normal levels of spending and liabilities that are affordable and sustainable for the next generations and that are fair to future generations.
We want control of our future costs out of the hands of the establishment politicians who continue to put wall street interests ahead of the interests of the people they are paid to represent.
Vote out Repubs and Democrats alike!
Bfgrn
New member
That would mean you are FOR single payer health care or at least a public option.
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
Yeah, I was like "opposed to authoritarian rule" what what? Everything Desh posted as being opposed by liberals is supported by modern leftists, because leftism is not liberalism. Liberalism, as it was understood until the early 20th Century, was essentially libertarianism - a term that only came into being out of the sheer ignorance of too many people as to the nature of liberalism, conservatism, etc.
I don't see your logic. I don't want government involved where they add no value. I like the gonvernment regulating and ensuring that rules are followed and business practice fairly. I don't see where you think that means I want a public insurance option. Why should one person's tax dollars support the lifestyles of other people?
I fear it will lead to too much government control by way of the arguments that unwanted behavior costs us all. We've seen it already with smoking and obesity laws and we are not even in a situation where the statement is true.
Liberty
Libertarian Minded
My Party????
I'm not Republican if that's what you mean. I've never voted for a rep, or a dem in my life, (Except for some judges last election), and I always vote.
I can't stand Hannity!
If you're ok with an income tax, Department of Education, etc, and love big gov't, you're a Marxist minded person. Not a true liberal. Hell I'm liberal on many social issues, but not on big gov't.
Bfgrn
New member
You don't see my logic because you don't understand how the insurance industry is run. Wall Street controls the industry by punishing companies that don't deny enough claims to keep their 'medical loss ratio' down.
I could provide a link to an interview with a former CIGNA executive, where he explains how it works, but I doubt you really want to know the truth.
Crashk
Unite or Die
Liberty, if you want a libertarian utopia go to Somolia. They have no taxes, no centralized govt and you can have all the weapons you want. Labor is dirt cheap and you can hire your own security. Only the wealthy have an education and there are none of those pesky social programs you hate. The only drawback I can see for you is...I'll whisper this...*theres a lot of black people there*... But don't let this turn you off, since you are in the top 2% of American earners you can be a king there. Think about it.
Otherwise...
Government in this country is supposed to be for the people by the people. That means protecting the people from your form of savage/monopolistic capitalism. If you think working people in the U.S. are marxist or communist because they ban together for their mutual benefit and to get a fair wage for their labor then you are just stupid. Or a member of Bush's Base.
Crashk
Unite or Die
I believe tea party members are confused. They want their jobs back from Asia, they want affordable healthcare, housing, economic security and a better life for their children. What they don't realize is their movement is run by the same people (Koch brothers, Republicon party, USCofC) who took their jobs and who's plan is to drive this country into 3rd world status.
I agree with you, they fight against their own best interests!
SmarterthanYou
rebel
It's never been in the peoples interests to have a central government regulate every aspect of the peoples lives.
Oh, yeah, why not, that way they don't have to think...and for some, it would be better that way!
Bfgrn
New member
The polarized argument. It has reached an epidemic on the right. What next, temper tantrums?
"The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."
President Abraham Lincoln
I did? Well, then full credit is due! I got that saying from Darla folks.
Always the gentleman. Even in the face of adversity.
St Damo. Tuppence in the offering basket!
Bfgrn
New member
THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!!
SmarterthanYou
rebel
it discredits your argument to use the president who violated the constitution the most out of our entire history.
Crashk
Unite or Die
Why do you always go to the extreme? No one left or right wants a govt controlling every aspect of an individuals life. Get real. This is corporate propaganda given to you by corporate snake oil salesmen. They want you to believe that whats good for their multinational corp. sponsors is good for you. 30 years of this thinking has brought us to the brink of depression and is sucking the wealth out of the middle class which has always been the conservative plan. You might agree with this theory but wages and the state of our country says different.
I'm ready for you to respond with anger, name calling and nothing to back your ideas except propaganda given to you by your communist backers.