A very interesting article written by a Libertarian

[SmarterthanYou]

IMO, it creates a silly caricature of libertarianism. It's always easy to argue against a POV if you reduce it to such a caricature.

belittling Libertarianism is a core principle of both major parties. People are on the verge of dumping both of them but look around blankly at no alternatives. If the truth of Libertarianism ever reached the peoples ears, the democrats and republicans would be tossed on their collectivist asses and they know it.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

belittling Libertarianism is a core principle of both major parties. People are on the verge of dumping both of them but look around blankly at no alternatives. If the truth of Libertarianism ever reached the peoples ears, the democrats and republicans would be tossed on their collectivist asses and they know it.

Since when does either party do that? It would be a waste of time and energy.

 

[Taichiliberal]

IMO, it creates a silly caricature of libertarianism. It's always easy to argue against a POV if you reduce it to such a caricature.

I disagree, given that when you look at the core arguments that Libertarians use to differentiate/separate themselves from conservatives and/or ultra-conservatives on shared viewpoints, they make themselves look like a silly caricature.

 

[Damocles]

I disagree, given that when you look at the core arguments that Libertarians use to differentiate/separate themselves from conservatives and/or ultra-conservatives on shared viewpoints, they make themselves look like a silly caricature.

I understand that you disagree, but that doesn't make you right, it just means you are ignorant of libertarianism as a whole. The minarchist/anarchists are not the "core" of libertarianism any more than the socialists are of the Democratic party.

 

[Taichiliberal]

I understand that you disagree, but that doesn't make you right, it just means you are ignorant of libertarianism as a whole. Whoa, stop admiring yourself in the mirror, son. I disagree with you therefore I'm ignorant of the facts? Amazing how you reached that conclusion without a lengthy discussion....you should be careful, because that's the exact mindset of the neocon parrots on these boards that we both despise. The minarchist/anarchists are not the "core" of libertarianism any more than the socialists are of the Democratic party.

Socialist don't consider themselves automatic Democrats, in fact the Socialist Party in America is a separate entity from the Democratic party....didn't you know that? So your analogy falls short.

 

[NOVA]

If it quacks like a duck.....etc....

 

[Taichiliberal]

If it quacks like a duck.....etc....

Says the man who takes an out of context quote from me to spit venom every time he posts. Yeah toodles, we hear you quacking...and we know what you are.

 

[Damocles]

Socialist don't consider themselves automatic Democrats, in fact the Socialist Party in America is a separate entity from the Democratic party....didn't you know that? So your analogy falls short.

Nor do anarchists/minarchists consider themselves automatic Libertarians, it was a valid analogy.

I reached the "conclusion" from your post that it was the "core", at least according to your "humble opinion". If you believe that this is the core of Libertarianism, then you are as ignorant as somebody who believes that socialism is the core of the democratic party.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Nor do anarchists/minarchists consider themselves automatic Libertarians, it was a valid analogy. Only if you can find me a political party in America that calls itself the Anarchists or Minarchists Party, and show that they've made the voting roles in any political election. If not, your analogy goes nowhere...because the last time I checked those were descriptions of a persons mindset and actions, not a political party.

I reached the "conclusion" from your post that it was the "core", at least according to your "humble opinion". If you believe that this is the core of Libertarianism, then you are as ignorant as somebody who believes that socialism is the core of the democratic party.

Repeating yourself six ways to Sunday won't make your assertion valid or true. As I pointed out above, your analogy is false unless you can meet a basic criteria for comparison. Good luck with that, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Damocles]

Repeating yourself six ways to Sunday won't make your assertion valid or true. As I pointed out above, your analogy is false unless you can meet a basic criteria for comparison. Good luck with that, but I won't hold my breath.

It is a valid analogy, they are spread among many and anarchists by definition have no party.

Nor does repeating yourself "six ways to Sunday" make yours any better. The reality is that the core of the Libertarian party doesn't lie where you suggest it does. The analogy stands because of this, Socialism isn't the core, suggesting it is would be the same kind of statement as saying that anarchists and minarchists are the "core" of the Libertarian party.

We could even use an even more fringe group if necessary to make you feel better so that they relate perfectly within your silly guideline that it must be a party, but it is really unnecessary to the point.

You are silly to attempt to ignore the point to argue against the analogy, are you ceding the point that the "core" does not lie where you attempt to place it because you have no argument other than your insistence, or do you ignore it because you have nothing other than that "humble opinion" based in ignorance?

Since you cannot argue that the "core" of the party is where your "humble opinion" placed it you instead attempt to minimize the argument to a sideline (the analogy) and attack that, it's weak and fallacious (Red Herring).

Again, we can use an even more fringe group so that the "if they were a party" fits, but it really doesn't change the thrust of the point, that these two groups are simply a small portion of the group that is libertarian not the "core".