Abortion

apple0154 said:
As shown DNA can identify human material only. It can not and does not identify a human being. We've been over this.
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by the definition provided a human being is an individual who is a Homo Sapiens......science can identify the fetus as both......so yes, we've been over this and science CAN identify any human being.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
by the definition provided a human being is an individual who is a Homo Sapiens......science can identify the fetus as both......so yes, we've been over this and science CAN identify any human being.......
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Human material. Not a human being. When a person has two sets of distinct DNA that does not mean there are two distinct human beings. Do try to use a little common sense.
 
apple0154 said:
Posted Sunday, Sept. 16, 2012, at 7:15 AM ET
The Seattle test can also reveal unexpected paternity. Should doctors have to disclose this, or should parents be able to opt out of being informed?
Whole-genome fetal sequencing is still years away from being used in the real world. It's a good thing, as we have a lot to sort out before then.
http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...al_genome_what_is_a_healthy_baby_anyway_.html
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I am sorry you are too much of a fucking idiot to understand this without it being repeated to you so many times......you don't need full sequencing to be able to identify that the fetus is different than the mother......science, right now, can identify that the fetus is different than the mother......your pretense is not actually a problem......

oh look, your own source says the same thing....its a shame you didn't read it before you posted it....
After determining the parents' genomes, it is possible to discern which DNA comes from the fetus.
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apple0154 said:
Human material. Not a human being. When a person has two sets of distinct DNA that does not mean there are two distinct human beings. Do try to use a little common sense.
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dude.....the mother had two sets of distinct DNA, the kid had one......even in that case they knew the kid's DNA was different from either of the sets the mother had.......thus, the kid was a unique human being from the mother......is this difficult for you to understand?.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I am sorry you are too much of a fucking idiot to understand this without it being repeated to you so many times......you don't need full sequencing to be able to identify that the fetus is different than the mother......science, right now, can identify that the fetus is different than the mother......your pretense is not actually a problem......

oh look, your own source says the same thing....its a shame you didn't read it before you posted it....
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Of course it's possible to tell the difference between the fetus' DNA and the mother's. That's not the point, you jackass. The point is knowing that two distinct sets of DNA does not prove there are two distinct human beings. Why are you unable to grasp something so elementary?

I'll try to explain it to you again. Two pieces of human material are offered up for DNA testing. One piece from a liver and one piece from a kidney. It is discovered the pieces contain differing DNA. So, is the person who did the testing able to say those samples came from two different human beings? The answer is, "NO!" That was explained in my previous posts if you had the mental ability to understand them.

The two samples could have been from the woman because she was a chimera. Or the two samples could have come from a fetus because the fetus was a chimera. Or one sample could have been taken from the woman and the other sample from a fetus. The point being the number of distinct DNA samples does not necessarily correspond to the number of distinct human beings.

What is there about that last statement with which you are having difficulty?

You're like 007. I try to explain something in as many different ways as possible and it's like trying to get through a block of cement. It's no wonder Ms. Boxer had to elaborate on birth when talking to Santorum. He's a jackass like you. Neither of you understand the most basic things to do with what you talk about.

DNA cannot prove the existence of a unique human being. Repeat that until it sinks in then come back and we can talk. Until then you'll keep making a fool of yourself.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
dude.....the mother had two sets of distinct DNA, the kid had one......even in that case they knew the kid's DNA was different from either of the sets the mother had.......thus, the kid was a unique human being from the mother......is this difficult for you to understand?.....
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Repeat after me, "DNA cannot prove the existence of a unique human being." DNA detects human material. Spin it, toss it around, say it backwards, it doesn't matter. That's why two distinct sets of DNA from one human being does not mean there are two distinct human beings. DNA can not tell if two sets of DNA are from two human beings or from one human being meaning DNA can not determine the existence of a human being.

Talk about a lack of understanding. This is not complicated.

Your logic is like saying the average human being weighs 150 pounds so if a scale registers 300 pounds there must be two people standing on the scale. Of course, we know that isn't the case. It could be one obese, 300 pound individual standing on the scale. The same principal applies to DNA. While everyone has DNA some people have two sets meaning the existence of distinct DNA does not prove the existence of a distinct human being. In this case there are two distinct DNA samples and one human being.

Do try to absorb what I wrote. It's not all that complicated. DNA detects human material ONLY. It does not detect a human being.
 
apple0154 said:
Of course it's possible to tell the difference between the fetus' DNA and the mother's. That's not the point, you jackass.
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of course it is....the reason its even an issue is because the fact that there is a difference between the DNA of the fetus and the DNA of the mother means we are talking about a completely different human than the mother.....that is what makes the fetus a human being under the definition under discussion....now you can pretend the definition isn't relevant but you cannot deny the fetus meets the requirements of the definition....it doesn't matter if the mother has one set of DNA or a hundred and one sets of DNA....what matters is that the fetus is none of them and thus is a different human.......what is irrelevant is the claim that science might mistakenly believe the mother is 101 different human beings......

DNA cannot prove the existence of a unique human being.
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and yet, as you see above, it can and does......

apple0154 said:
Repeat after me, "DNA cannot prove the existence of a unique human being."
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you repeat it often enough for both of us.....you continue to be wrong, but you keep repeating it....
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
of course it is....the reason its even an issue is because the fact that there is a difference between the DNA of the fetus and the DNA of the mother means we are talking about a completely different human than the mother.....that is what makes the fetus a human being under the definition under discussion....now you can pretend the definition isn't relevant but you cannot deny the fetus meets the requirements of the definition....it doesn't matter if the mother has one set of DNA or a hundred and one sets of DNA....what matters is that the fetus is none of them and thus is a different human.......what is irrelevant is the claim that science might mistakenly believe the mother is 101 different human beings......
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It's not a point of science being mistaken the mother is 101 different human beings. It's the point that differing DNA samples do not mean there are different human beings. That's the point. Why can't you see that?

The scientist or the person doing the test has to know the differing DNA did not come from the same individual before it can make any other claim. Just the fact there are two unique DNA samples does not mean there are two unique human beings.
 
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