Scott
Verified User
What do you think Putin wants?
Another breakdown of negotiations?
What do you think Putin wants?
Scott
Verified User
Yes, I have heard this notion, but it just makes no sense to me.
I think the U.S. has engaged in a -bit- of negotiations, but yeah, the U.S. hasn't been much for negotiations for sure.
Scott
Verified User
...and killed. I think 8 years of that was the last straw for Putin and Russia's leadership as a whole. I still think that Jacques Baud's article on the origins of Russia's war in Ukraine were so well done:
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In fact, as early as February 16 [2022], Joe Biden knows that the Ukrainians began to shell the civilian populations of Donbass, putting Vladimir Putin in front of a difficult choice: to help Donbass militarily and create an international problem or to sit idle and watch Russian speakers from the Donbass being run over.
If he decides to intervene, Vladimir Putin can invoke the international obligation of “ Responsibility To Protect ” (R2P). But he knows that whatever its nature or scale, the intervention will trigger a shower of sanctions. Therefore, whether its intervention is limited to the Donbass or whether it goes further to put pressure on the West for the status of Ukraine, the price to be paid will be the same. This is what he explains in his speech on February 21.
That day, he acceded to the request of the Duma and recognized the independence of the two Republics of Donbass and, in the process, he signed treaties of friendship and assistance with them.
The Ukrainian artillery bombardments on the populations of Donbass continued and, on February 23, the two Republics requested military aid from Russia. On the 24th, Vladimir Putin invokes Article 51 of the United Nations Charter which provides for mutual military assistance within the framework of a defensive alliance.
In order to make the Russian intervention totally illegal in the eyes of the public we deliberately obscure the fact that the war actually started on February 16th. The Ukrainian army was preparing to attack the Donbass as early as 2021, as certain Russian and European intelligence services were well aware… The lawyers will judge.
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Full article:
Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative
Jacques Baud, a NATO expert, denounces western coverage of the Ukraine invasion.
scheerpost.com
Bai Lan
Let It Rot
this our invitation to get the fuck out.
the whole thing was stupid.
MAIDAN REVOLUTION = DUMB AS FUCK>
I am not 100% on this because I rarely hear it on even alt media but I have been told that since 2014 the Kiev government was removing wealth from the Donbass, spending it in the West, and letting the East Rot....that psychologically this was very important....and killed. I think 8 years of that was the last straw for Putin and Russia's leadership as a whole. I still think that Jacques Baud's article on the origins of Russia's war in Ukraine were so well done:
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In fact, as early as February 16 [2022], Joe Biden knows that the Ukrainians began to shell the civilian populations of Donbass, putting Vladimir Putin in front of a difficult choice: to help Donbass militarily and create an international problem or to sit idle and watch Russian speakers from the Donbass being run over.
If he decides to intervene, Vladimir Putin can invoke the international obligation of “ Responsibility To Protect ” (R2P). But he knows that whatever its nature or scale, the intervention will trigger a shower of sanctions. Therefore, whether its intervention is limited to the Donbass or whether it goes further to put pressure on the West for the status of Ukraine, the price to be paid will be the same. This is what he explains in his speech on February 21.
That day, he acceded to the request of the Duma and recognized the independence of the two Republics of Donbass and, in the process, he signed treaties of friendship and assistance with them.
The Ukrainian artillery bombardments on the populations of Donbass continued and, on February 23, the two Republics requested military aid from Russia. On the 24th, Vladimir Putin invokes Article 51 of the United Nations Charter which provides for mutual military assistance within the framework of a defensive alliance.
In order to make the Russian intervention totally illegal in the eyes of the public we deliberately obscure the fact that the war actually started on February 16th. The Ukrainian army was preparing to attack the Donbass as early as 2021, as certain Russian and European intelligence services were well aware… The lawyers will judge.
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Full article:
Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative
Jacques Baud, a NATO expert, denounces western coverage of the Ukraine invasion.
Bai Lan
Let It Rot
Scott
Verified User
I disagree regarding the Vietcong and the Taliban. As far as I'm concerned, it was the U.S. that had little interest in negotiating up until the point that continued military supression became untenable, at which point, all they could do was evacuate. Perhaps more importantly, from what I've read, both the wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan were based on lies. This is pretty firmly established in the case of Vietnam with the second gulf of Tonkin incident:
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The United States government falsely claimed that a second incident occurred on 4 August, between North Vietnamese and United States ships in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. Originally, US military claims blamed North Vietnam for the confrontation and the ostensible, but in fact imaginary, incident on 4 August. Later investigation revealed that the second attack never happened. The National Security Agency, an agency of the US Defense Department, had deliberately skewed intelligence to create the impression that an attack had been carried out.
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Full article:
Gulf of Tonkin incident - Wikipedia
Osama Bin Laden never charged for 911 - Inside Job likely
Osama Bin Laden's death is being celebrated, and everyone seems to repeat the conspiracy theory that he was indeed the mastermind behind the terror attacks of 9/11. But that was never proven, and there is not even evidence hinting at such a connection according to the FBI. It is very well possible
www.ibtimes.com
The Ukraine war is no different. Former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud made this clear in an article he wrote shortly after Russia's war in Ukraine began:
Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative
Jacques Baud, a NATO expert, denounces western coverage of the Ukraine invasion.
scheerpost.com
Scott
Verified User
I wouldn't be surprised, but even if it wasn't, they certainly angered the eastern side with their suppression of the east sides' ties to Russia and the Russian language. I think this may have come to a head during the Odessa massacre. I think Russian historian Evgeny Norin wrote a good article on this a few months after Russia's war in Ukraine began:
Burned alive: How the 2014 Odessa massacre became a turning point for Ukraine
Clashes between opposing activists turned into mass murder. The perpetrators have never been punished
Not only were they being terrorized, not only was NATO building a massive army to come after them, but they had been economically strangled for nearly a decade is the story....the people of the Donbass, and the Russians, knew without a doubt what was happening.I wouldn't be surprised, but even if it wasn't, they certainly angered the eastern side with their suppression of the east sides' ties to Russia and the Russian language. I think this may have come to a head during the Odessa massacre. I think Russian historian Evgeny Norin wrote a good article on this a few months after Russia's war in Ukraine began:
Burned alive: How the 2014 Odessa massacre became a turning point for Ukraine
Clashes between opposing activists turned into mass murder. The perpetrators have never been punishedwww.rt.com
Lord Bebo
@MyLordBebo
Russia demands neutral Ukraine!Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov gave an interview to the Brazilian newspaper O Globo:Q: “What conditions would Russia need today to sit down at the negotiating table with Ukraine?”A: “It was Kyiv that withdrew from the negotiation process in April 2022. And it did so at the request of its Western curators. Then, in September of the same year, Zelensky introduced a legislative ban on negotiations with Russia. It is still in effect.To resume them, it will have to be lifted. In a recent interview with CBS News, Zelensky again spoke out against negotiations with our country.Let me quote his words: ‘We cannot trust Russia. We cannot trust negotiations with Russia.’Our position on the settlement is well known. We proceed from the fact that Kyiv's non-accession to NATO, its confirmation of its neutral and non-aligned status in accordance with the Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine of 1990 is one of two foundations for a final settlement of the Ukrainian crisis that meets the security interests of Russia.The second is overcoming the consequences of the rule of the neo-Nazi regime in Kyiv that was formed as a result of the putsch in February 2014, including its actions to legislatively and physically exterminate everything Russian - language, media, culture, traditions, canonical Orthodoxy.——-The international recognition of the Russian affiliation of Crimea, Sevastopol, DPR, LPR Kherson region and Zaporozhye is imperative. All obligations of Kyiv must be legally secured, have mechanisms of enforcement and be of an indefinite nature.On the agenda are the tasks of demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, the lifting of sanctions, lawsuits and arrest warrants, and the return of Russian assets ‘frozen’ in the West.We will also seek reliable guarantees of the security of the Russian Federation from threats created by the hostile activities of NATO, the European Union and their individual member states on our western borders.“
@MyLordBebo
Russia demands neutral Ukraine!Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov gave an interview to the Brazilian newspaper O Globo:Q: “What conditions would Russia need today to sit down at the negotiating table with Ukraine?”A: “It was Kyiv that withdrew from the negotiation process in April 2022. And it did so at the request of its Western curators. Then, in September of the same year, Zelensky introduced a legislative ban on negotiations with Russia. It is still in effect.To resume them, it will have to be lifted. In a recent interview with CBS News, Zelensky again spoke out against negotiations with our country.Let me quote his words: ‘We cannot trust Russia. We cannot trust negotiations with Russia.’Our position on the settlement is well known. We proceed from the fact that Kyiv's non-accession to NATO, its confirmation of its neutral and non-aligned status in accordance with the Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine of 1990 is one of two foundations for a final settlement of the Ukrainian crisis that meets the security interests of Russia.The second is overcoming the consequences of the rule of the neo-Nazi regime in Kyiv that was formed as a result of the putsch in February 2014, including its actions to legislatively and physically exterminate everything Russian - language, media, culture, traditions, canonical Orthodoxy.——-The international recognition of the Russian affiliation of Crimea, Sevastopol, DPR, LPR Kherson region and Zaporozhye is imperative. All obligations of Kyiv must be legally secured, have mechanisms of enforcement and be of an indefinite nature.On the agenda are the tasks of demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, the lifting of sanctions, lawsuits and arrest warrants, and the return of Russian assets ‘frozen’ in the West.We will also seek reliable guarantees of the security of the Russian Federation from threats created by the hostile activities of NATO, the European Union and their individual member states on our western borders.“
Dances_with_Bears
@bears_with
Putin’s new May 8-11 ceasefire is a test of Trump’s end of war proposal: can he enforce a reciprocal Ukrainian ceasefire -- if he can't, no Kremlin deal
@bears_with
Putin’s new May 8-11 ceasefire is a test of Trump’s end of war proposal: can he enforce a reciprocal Ukrainian ceasefire -- if he can't, no Kremlin deal
Johnny miller
@johnnyjmils
In trying to comprehend Britain's maddening policy in Ukraine. There is a school of thought that explains it thus. The British economy is in such dire trouble. Their only hope is of defeating Russia. And plundering the spoils. A go for broke policy that is as mad as it sounds. The UK and Europe took a wrong turn fifteen or so years ago. By surrendering their interests to the mad Bush years of American policy. Of NATO expansion and endless wars in the middle East. They turned Russia into an enemy rather than the allied source of energy security it could have been. That was Europe's mistake. Putin's opera dates with Tony Blair. And a horse drawn jolly around London with the Queen. All forgotten. Chirac, Schroder and Berlusconi all got on well with Putin. And now the US is withdrawing from Europe, we continue down the same self destructive path their policies led us into in the first place. It is too late to return the damage done. But not too late to repair it. Europe must change course. The problem is that all those who got us into this mess. Are still in power. And they don't have the courage or character to do any different. They'd rather see Europe burn than admit they were wrong. In an alternate reality, British and European energy companies are working all over Russia. And Putin is having tea with the King. Instead war is ravaging Europe once again and the chief of MI6 loudly boasts, "we have many spies in Russia." Would have been smarter to send the industry execs instead.
On Judge Nap today Ray McGovern says that he thinks a ceasefire is near.....which ties with what John Helmer said the other day about the Russians taking a bad deal in order to get ready for the big showdown with the dying West, which wont be but a few years at most.
Others on my well curated grapevine say no way.
Others on my well curated grapevine say no way.
I am fascinated that as the experts speculate that the Russians are making 3-5 million shells a year.....in otherwards they dont know....the Rump of the UK claims to have spies all over Russia.
BTW Alexander of The Duran says the right number is 5...he has the best sources.
BTW Alexander of The Duran says the right number is 5...he has the best sources.
So dumb that Trump demanded rights to Ukraine's rare earth deposits to stop the war.