Another Death Thanks To Jane Fonda

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Anti-American, anti-war hippies are responsible for this death.

I thank God that the troop-supporters are out there, never resting, as they replace faded out "support the troops" magnets with new ones...whenever need be!

If only they could have gotten to this man in time. A bumper sticker would have really helped him out. Damnit all to hell!


After returning from Iraq in late 2005, Jonathan Schulze spent every day struggling not to fall apart. When a Department of Veterans Affairs clinic turned him away last month, he lost the battle. The 25-year-old Marine from Stewart, Minn., had told his parents that 16 men in his unit had died in two days of battle in Ramadi. At home, he was drinking hard to stave off the nightmares. Though he managed to get a job as a roofer, he was suffering flashbacks and panic attacks so intense that he couldn't concentrate on his work. Sometimes, he heard in his mind the haunting chants of the muezzin-the Muslim call to prayer that he'd heard many times in Iraq. Again and again, he'd relive the moments he was in a Humvee, manning the machine gun, but helpless to save his fellow Marines. "He'd be seeing them in his own mind, standing in front of him," says his stepmother, Marianne.

Schulze, who earned two Purple Hearts for wounds sustained in Iraq, was initially reluctant to turn to the VA. Raised among fighters-Schulze's father served in Vietnam and over the years his older brother and six stepbrothers all enlisted in the military-Jonathan might have felt asking for help didn't befit a Marine.

But when the panic attacks got to be too much, he started showing up at the VA emergency room, where doctors recommended he try group therapy. He resisted; he didn't think hearing other veterans' depressing problems would help solve his own. Then, early last month, after more than a year of anxiety, he finally decided to admit himself to an inpatient program. Schulze packed a bag on Jan. 11 and drove with his family to the VA center in St. Cloud, about 70 miles away. The Schulzes were ushered into the mental-health-care unit and an intake worker sat down at a computer across from them. "She started typing," Marianne says. "She asked, 'Do you feel suicidal?' and Jonathan said, 'Yes, I feel suicidal'." The woman kept typing, seemingly unconcerned. Marianne was livid. "He's an Iraqi veteran!" she snapped. "Listen to him!" The woman made a phone call, then told him no one was available that day to screen him for hospitalization. Jonathan could come back tomorrow or call the counselor for a screening on the phone.

When he did call the following day, the response from the clinic was even more disheartening: the center was full. Schulze would be No. 26 on the waiting list. He was encouraged to call back periodically over the next two weeks in case there was a cancellation. Marianne was listening in on the conversation from the dining room. She watched Jonathan, slumped on the couch, as he talked to the doctor. "I heard him say the same thing: I'm suicidal, I feel lost, I feel hopelessness," she says. Four days later Schulze got drunk, wrapped an electrical cord around a basement beam in his home and hanged himself. A friend he telephoned while tying the noose called the police, but by the time officers broke down the door, Schulze was dead.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17316437/site/newsweek/
 
What's really sad is that there are vets that aren't sick and that take advantage of the system. Apparently PTS gets you a pretty good package if you can fake it enough. CSPAN had a show on this last year. They were basically saying that people that actually have it, can't stomach going through the system and don't get the help they need, while you've got a lot of people that basically commit fraud and people like this get left out in the cold and succumb to suicide and self medication.
 
My heart goes out to Jonathan, I lived for several years as he did after coming back from Nam. The VA were NO help at all back then for mental problems, and I gave up on them, but not on myself.
I have been working with a group therapy session At the VA hospital here for about 1 year helping returning vets with mental problems cope, it also has healped me to put final closure on that nightmare portion of my life.
 
I'll tell you, I feel about it the same way Ben Franklin felt about the justice system. He said he'd rather 100 guilty men go free, than one innocent man be wrongly convicted. (though of course, that's not how Americans, by and large feel today)

But I'd rather 100 guys got away with gaming the system, than one tormented soul like this slip through its cracks. (and far more than this one has) The money that we are wasting on weapons and waste in this war, would make any fraud in the VA system completely insignificant.

In my opinion.
 
My heart goes out to Jonathan, I lived for several years as he did after coming back from Nam. The VA were NO help at all back then for mental problems, and I gave up on them, but not on myself.
I have been working with a group therapy session At the VA hospital here for about 1 year helping returning vets with mental problems cope, it also has healped me to put final closure on that nightmare portion of my life.

Wow, that's good to hear usc.
 
But then the war industrial complex profits would fall....
Perhaps it is time for them to convert to a service economy from a manufacturing one like the rest of the country....
 
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I'll tell you, I feel about it the same way Ben Franklin felt about the justice system. He said he'd rather 100 guilty men go free, than one innocent man be wrongly convicted. (though of course, that's not how Americans, by and large feel today)

But I'd rather 100 guys got away with gaming the system, than one tormented soul like this slip through its cracks. (and far more than this one has) The money that we are wasting on weapons and waste in this war, would make any fraud in the VA system completely insignificant.

In my opinion.

Concur. The VA definetly needs to have auditors to root out fraud where it exists. But we shouldn't let one single soldier with a mental health issue slip through the cracks simply because we are paranoid about fraud.
 
I wasn't suggesting that he be left out in the cold if that you guys were thinking I was getting at. I just think its awful that he was left out and someone some where was getting the help that he clearly needed.
 
I wasn't suggesting that he be left out in the cold if that you guys were thinking I was getting at. I just think its awful that he was left out and someone some where was getting the help that he clearly needed.

Nooo. I didn't think that.
 
It is easy to understand why this happened, after all the is George "we are not going to have any casualties" war....
 
I find it interesting that no chickenhawks have dared to show their yellow faces on this thread.

If you mean Dixie, it was basically directed at him, though I'm not surprised he hasn't shown his face.

The one thing I don't like about this board is that there are so few (anyone other than dixie even), outright war-supporters on this board. And I like to make them eat this kind of thing, because it angers me more than I can express.
 
If you mean Dixie, it was basically directed at him, though I'm not surprised he hasn't shown his face.

The one thing I don't like about this board is that there are so few (anyone other than dixie even), outright war-supporters on this board. And I like to make them eat this kind of thing, because it angers me more than I can express.

This is one reason I still visit SR's board.

There's still like three or four Iraq War Lovers still over there, and kicking their asses is a guilty pleasure of mine lol
 
If you mean Dixie, it was basically directed at him, though I'm not surprised he hasn't shown his face.

The one thing I don't like about this board is that there are so few (anyone other than dixie even), outright war-supporters on this board. And I like to make them eat this kind of thing, because it angers me more than I can express.

Same here. I actually get enraged when I read stories like these. I've had to take it down a notch because I found myself internalizing a lot of that fustration.
 
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