Since 9/11 & the start of the Iraq war, there has been a concerted effort on the part of many Bush supporters & pundits to silence dissent & frame any attempt to debate in the most dishonest terms possible. If you don't want to bomb the crap out of Bagdhad, you want to "sing kum-ba-yah" with the terrorists. If you try to talk about what really motivates attacks against us, you're blaming America first. If you thinking talking to foreign leaders -whether they are allies or not - is a good idea, you're appeasing & weak. Dissent is part of the proud history of being American; it is not traitorous.
The conservative movement has dumbed down a great deal in recent years; I guess that happens when your spokespeople devolve from William F. Buckley to Ann Coulter, and your national leaders are people like Bush.
For the record:
1) Talking is NOT appeasing. I know a lot of people think Chris Matthews is a clown, but the smackdown he put on that right-wing flunkie yesterday was pure gold. These fools don't know history, and don't understand what happened with Chamberlain & Nazi Germany, one iota.
2) American actions in the Middle East have motivated attacks against us. That is NOT justification. If you don't want to talk about that, if it makes you uncomfortable, if the truth is just too much for you to handle...excuse yourself from the conversation on national security. You don't belong in it, and your feeble attempts to say "they attack us for our freedoms" prevents a truly honest conversation on terrorism.
3) The options in both Iraq and the "WOT" (as you like to call it) are not Bush's bomb first & ask questions later, or surrendering. I'm so tired of apologists asking me "what were we supposed to do after 9/11?" when challenged about Iraq. It's embarassing.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
- Theodore Roosevelt
The conservative movement has dumbed down a great deal in recent years; I guess that happens when your spokespeople devolve from William F. Buckley to Ann Coulter, and your national leaders are people like Bush.
For the record:
1) Talking is NOT appeasing. I know a lot of people think Chris Matthews is a clown, but the smackdown he put on that right-wing flunkie yesterday was pure gold. These fools don't know history, and don't understand what happened with Chamberlain & Nazi Germany, one iota.
2) American actions in the Middle East have motivated attacks against us. That is NOT justification. If you don't want to talk about that, if it makes you uncomfortable, if the truth is just too much for you to handle...excuse yourself from the conversation on national security. You don't belong in it, and your feeble attempts to say "they attack us for our freedoms" prevents a truly honest conversation on terrorism.
3) The options in both Iraq and the "WOT" (as you like to call it) are not Bush's bomb first & ask questions later, or surrendering. I'm so tired of apologists asking me "what were we supposed to do after 9/11?" when challenged about Iraq. It's embarassing.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
- Theodore Roosevelt
Teddy was referring to his second bid for the presidential run...he was addressing his opponent..kinda equates to Obama eh?