Ayn Rand and the Invincible Cult of Selfishness on the American Right

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'Wealthcare' By Jonathan Chait

"The current era of Democratic governance has provoked a florid response on the right, ranging from the prosaic (routine denunciations of big spending and debt) to the overheated (fears of socialism) to the lunatic (the belief that Democrats plan to put the elderly to death). Amid this cacophony of rage and dread, there has emerged one anxiety that is an actual idea, and not a mere slogan or factual misapprehension. The idea is that the United States is divided into two classes--the hard-working productive elite, and the indolent masses leeching off their labor by means of confiscatory taxes and transfer programs.

You can find iterations of this worldview and this moral judgment everywhere on the right. Consider a few samples of the rhetoric. In an op-ed piece last spring, Arthur Brooks, the president of the American Enterprise Institute, called for conservatives to wage a "culture war" over capitalism. "Social Democrats are working to create a society where the majority are net recipients of the ‘sharing economy,' " he wrote. "Advocates of free enterprise . . . have to declare that it is a moral issue to confiscate more income from the minority simply because the government can." Brooks identified the constituency for his beliefs as "the people who were doing the important things right--and who are now watching elected politicians reward those who did the important things wrong." Senator Jim DeMint echoed this analysis when he lamented that "there are two Americas but not the kind John Edwards was talking about. It's not so much the haves and the have-nots. It's those who are paying for government and those who are getting government.""

http://www.tnr.com/article/books-and-arts/wealthcare-0
 
dear me, I'm selfish because I don't want to slave away to not only care for my family but for everyone else's too..

If I wanted to live in a commune I'd go join one.
 
dear me, I'm selfish because I don't want to slave away to not only care for my family but for everyone else's too..

If I wanted to live in a commune I'd go join one.

If SR hadn't shut down FP.com, I would reccommend you navigate there and read up on Libertarianism in a Nutshell I-VII, as well as Freedom in a Nushell I-II and Freedom in a Nutty Leftist Shell. It was a truly artistic bit of scewering, and the reason why I call Midcan the dumbest poster on board. Considering the morons that run about this site without her, that is a huge accomplishment.
 
'Wealthcare' By Jonathan Chait

"The current era of Democratic governance has provoked a florid response on the right, ranging from the prosaic (routine denunciations of big spending and debt) to the overheated (fears of socialism) to the lunatic (the belief that Democrats plan to put the elderly to death). Amid this cacophony of rage and dread, there has emerged one anxiety that is an actual idea, and not a mere slogan or factual misapprehension. The idea is that the United States is divided into two classes--the hard-working productive elite, and the indolent masses leeching off their labor by means of confiscatory taxes and transfer programs.

You can find iterations of this worldview and this moral judgment everywhere on the right. Consider a few samples of the rhetoric. In an op-ed piece last spring, Arthur Brooks, the president of the American Enterprise Institute, called for conservatives to wage a "culture war" over capitalism. "Social Democrats are working to create a society where the majority are net recipients of the ‘sharing economy,' " he wrote. "Advocates of free enterprise . . . have to declare that it is a moral issue to confiscate more income from the minority simply because the government can." Brooks identified the constituency for his beliefs as "the people who were doing the important things right--and who are now watching elected politicians reward those who did the important things wrong." Senator Jim DeMint echoed this analysis when he lamented that "there are two Americas but not the kind John Edwards was talking about. It's not so much the haves and the have-nots. It's those who are paying for government and those who are getting government.""

http://www.tnr.com/article/books-and-arts/wealthcare-0

I checked out the link you posted.

Excerpt:Page two: "Sex and romance loomed unusually large in Rand’s worldview. Objectivism taught that intellectual parity is the sole legitimate basis for romantic or sexual attraction. Coincidentally enough, this doctrine cleared the way for Rand--a woman possessed of looks that could be charitably described as unusual, along with abysmal personal hygiene and grooming habits--to seduce young men in her orbit. Rand not only persuaded Branden, who was twenty-five years her junior, to undertake a long-term sexual relationship with her, she also persuaded both her husband and Branden’s wife to consent to this arrangement. (They had no rational basis on which to object, she argued.) But she prudently instructed them to keep the affair secret from the other members of the Objectivist inner circle."

I suppose one could accurately describe her as a filthy tramp. Causes one to question who would idolize the views of such an individual.
 
I checked out the link you posted.

Excerpt:Page two: "Sex and romance loomed unusually large in Rand’s worldview. Objectivism taught that intellectual parity is the sole legitimate basis for romantic or sexual attraction. Coincidentally enough, this doctrine cleared the way for Rand--a woman possessed of looks that could be charitably described as unusual, along with abysmal personal hygiene and grooming habits--to seduce young men in her orbit. Rand not only persuaded Branden, who was twenty-five years her junior, to undertake a long-term sexual relationship with her, she also persuaded both her husband and Branden’s wife to consent to this arrangement. (They had no rational basis on which to object, she argued.) But she prudently instructed them to keep the affair secret from the other members of the Objectivist inner circle."

I suppose one could accurately describe her as a filthy tramp. Causes one to question who would idolize the views of such an individual.

I certainly don't think much of her sexual mores, but I am a conservative. What causes you, a liberal, to judge her? Especially in light of liberals swooning over the far more tarnished character of the late Ted Kennedy.

Could it be ideology? FYI, Rand is loved by libertarians, most conservatives are not major fans of hers. She is worth reading, just as Orwell, and other thinkers of the 20th Century, because she challenges the reader to think...
 
I certainly don't think much of her sexual mores, but I am a conservative. What causes you, a liberal, to judge her? Especially in light of liberals swooning over the far more tarnished character of the late Ted Kennedy.

Could it be ideology? FYI, Rand is loved by libertarians, most conservatives are not major fans of hers. She is worth reading, just as Orwell, and other thinkers of the 20th Century, because she challenges the reader to think...

Ted Kennedy had abysmal personal hygiene and grooming habits and seduced young women (plural) in his orbit?

The difficulty I have with Conservatives is they go on about the value of families and overall compassion but advocate the opposite when dealing with public policy. Why are they against the "policies" prevalent in families to be extended to the world at large?

If combining efforts and helping each member is at the base of what makes families great why do Conservatives fight against a similar approach when it comes to society, in general?
 
Ted Kennedy had abysmal personal hygiene and grooming habits and seduced young women (plural) in his orbit?

The difficulty I have with Conservatives is they go on about the value of families and overall compassion but advocate the opposite when dealing with public policy. Why are they against the "policies" prevalent in families to be extended to the world at large?

If combining efforts and helping each member is at the base of what makes families great why do Conservatives fight against a similar approach when it comes to society, in general?

It's not my place to take care of everybody else by force through the government..if I wanted to live in a communist country, I'd move to one..
 
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midcan you are such a good little bot.

Darn I forgot your original screen name? Are you all hiding from yourselves? Rather odd that even one's online identity is tentative. But thanks for comment that is a compliment.
 
If SR hadn't shut down FP.com, I would reccommend you navigate there and read up on Libertarianism in a Nutshell I-VII, as well as Freedom in a Nushell I-II and Freedom in a Nutty Leftist Shell. It was a truly artistic bit of scewering, and the reason why I call Midcan the dumbest poster on board. Considering the morons that run about this site without her, that is a huge accomplishment.

Thanks for insight, I received quite a lot of positive input on the nutshells.
 
It's not my place to take care of everybody else by force through the government..if I wanted to live in a communist country, I'd move to one..

I was wondering why Conservatives hold the views they do. If the family structure is beneficial, the policies and procedures families implement, doesn't it make sense to expand it?

In the days when people were born and died, living their entire life in the same community, they contributed to that community over time. Today, people are much more mobile. Often they are not part of a community long enough to contribute. That results in no contribution to any community. That's why it's necessary to have a general contribution fund or taxes which enable folks to contribute regardless of what community they live in or how long they live there.
 
I was wondering why Conservatives hold the views they do. If the family structure is beneficial, the policies and procedures families implement, doesn't it make sense to expand it?

In the days when people were born and died, living their entire life in the same community, they contributed to that community over time. Today, people are much more mobile. Often they are not part of a community long enough to contribute. That results in no contribution to any community. That's why it's necessary to have a general contribution fund or taxes which enable folks to contribute regardless of what community they live in or how long they live there.

yes, they contributed to their communities and unless you live in a big ass city, small communities still do that...but at their choice, not by force through the Guberment...
you want to be this hero and take care of everyone, go to work everyday and donate all you paycheck to a charity..they will love you for it.

as I said, if I want to live in a commune, I'd join one and if I wanted to live in a communist country, I'd move to one..
 
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I was wondering why Conservatives hold the views they do. If the family structure is beneficial, the policies and procedures families implement, doesn't it make sense to expand it?

In the days when people were born and died, living their entire life in the same community, they contributed to that community over time. Today, people are much more mobile. Often they are not part of a community long enough to contribute. That results in no contribution to any community. That's why it's necessary to have a general contribution fund or taxes which enable folks to contribute regardless of what community they live in or how long they live there.

Cons today no longer believe in society. Their idea is a 2 class society, the very rich and the very poor, no middle class. The American middle class to them is a cash cow. If they have to step over dead bodies or pass starving children on their way to work then so be it. Haven't they proved this over the last 30 yrs?
 
Cons today no longer believe in society. Their idea is a 2 class society, the very rich and the very poor, no middle class. The American middle class to them is a cash cow. If they have to step over dead bodies or pass starving children on their way to work then so be it. Haven't they proved this over the last 30 yrs?

pfffeeeeesh...total bullshit..
 
Cons today no longer believe in society. Their idea is a 2 class society, the very rich and the very poor, no middle class. The American middle class to them is a cash cow. If they have to step over dead bodies or pass starving children on their way to work then so be it. Haven't they proved this over the last 30 yrs?

Actually you are describing San Francisco but our city is run by Democrats and Greens, not an elected Republican in the City.
 
pfffeeeeesh...total bullshit..

Admit it MeMe, you don't give a shit if people die in the streets of starvation as long as it doesn't affect you or yours. You don't care if old people freeze to death in the winter because you are warm and they didn't prepare. Starving or freezing people should have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.
 
All they had to do was get a college degree Crash.
Everyone with a college degree has an above average income.
So the soloution is for EVEREYONE to get a college degree and have an above average income.
 
If you look at pix of teabaggers they're mostly blue collar working people. They protest FOR the corporate sponsors who organize their protests but who don't attend. The power of propaganda.
 
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