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cawacko said:
You're old school. The more working class minded left is mostly gone (at least compared to decades ago). Today there is much more of a focus on environmentalism, identity politics and cultural issues.
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Yeah, because Earth Day is a new holiday. Obama started it, right?
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
Look, since Trump came down the escalator, a lot of misconceptions about the people that support him started to take affect, and not necessarily the Republican Party. Trump basically hi-jacked the Republican Party- and still has an autocratic and plutocratic grip over it. Because Autocracy and Plutocracy has suddenly become the new standard for the Trump cult that now dominates the party- and the rest of the party just capitulates behind them because they hate democrats.

One of those misconceptions is which party best represents the Working class in the Trump era we now are having to experience. This is a time of confusion.

Several things did shift, after 4 years of Trump being in the White House, one of the dynamics is the fact that the voters with college degrees or those voters working towards college degrees, has shifted over to the Democrats. I do believe this is true. And I don't mean this in any kind of an insulting or self-righteous way. Not even after hearing Donald Trump make the claim that he loves the Non-Educated. Is that to say that Biden does not? NO!

I am just saying that more people are working today than ever before, and are making higher wages than ever before, and more people have college degrees than ever before. And I definitely credit the Democrats for helping make that possible than I give credit to the Republicans for this.

But not everybody with a degree, or seeking a degree, somehow suddenly escapes the Working Class. Do the educated have better paying jobs normally, yes!

But to say that just because they have a college degree, they somehow are in the upper class of Elitists and millionaires is ludicrous.

And to say that the Democratic Party has somehow abandoned the Working class is also ludicrous.
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At least this can attempt to start a conversation.

Go back 100 years, the working class left had socialist and even communist supporters among its leaders. Post WWII and the combination on increasing American influence and Stalin's behavior in Russia makes supporting socialism and communism a much harder sell.

At that point in time around 1/3 (?) of private sector employees belonged to Unions and they wielded significant political power. As time progressed, and technology and globalization increased, those numbers became much smaller as did their power. Today public sector unions have like 5X the number of members that private sector unions do. And a majority of the public sector unions have college degrees - so not the definition of working class.

At the end of the day it's not the 1950's/1960's where larger numbers of people don't go to college and live middle class lifestyles on a union manufacturing job. Those times have passed. Today you hear leading politicians talk a whole lot about the middle class, but little about the working class. (I understand some might include working class as lower middle class but others don't) Because again, times have changed. Hence my comment to Nifty which you said makes one a Trumptard, asshole and a liar.

I'll end by saying in today's world one can be pro union and pro environment but the reality is those can frequently butt heads. We're seeing it now with the UAW and their demands and the demands of those who want to see us move towards more EVs. There's an element of conflict there and is an example of what I was speaking about in my response (that you took such offense too).
 
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