Yet it also says they have to pay a tax to believe what they believe or be killed... Interesting.
Deceptive God, Incompetent Messiah
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Yet it also says they have to pay a tax to believe what they believe or be killed... Interesting.
The Jizya was only for able bodied men who didn't want to defend the community. It was LESS tax than Muslims pay.
Bull, it is more tax because they don't have to pay Jizya and those who do have to pay Jizya still have to pay the regular tax. The reality is: Christians and Jews are not treated as equals to Muslims under Muslim law.
christiefan915
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Your usual tap dance when caught out lying.
christiefan915
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Interesting. I bet you don't take all the violence in the Bible at face value.
Muslims have to pay zakat which is MORE.
Muslims have a mandate to protect Christians and Jews who live among them.
Jizya hasn't been around for more than 100 years.
Where did you live in the Middle East?
christiefan915
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I read this about jizya and it's a lot different from what's said on anti-Muslim sites.
"Christians continue to be slaughtered in the Middle East. But as reports of genocidal atrocities mount up, our governments have found a new reason to sit on their hands. Christians, the theory goes, don’t have it as bad as the Yazidis. As ‘people of the book’, Christians enjoy privileged status. Rather than suffering the full extent of Islamic State’s depravities, they can pay a tax (Jizya) in return for protection. It sounds credible and contains just enough theology to bamboozle the secular population of the international community. Here’s the Office of the UN’s High Commissioner for Human Rights:
‘While Christian communities still living in Daesh controlled territories live difficult and often precarious existences…their right to exist as Christians within any Islamic State existing at any point in time, is recognised as long as they pay the Jizya tax.
The UN has said it. Parliamentarians around the world have said it. Respected international NGOs specialising in genocide have said it. Case closed, you might think. Until you realise that the evidence for the Jizya claim originates almost exclusively from Isis. Yes, you read that right. That reliable source of accurate information on the treatment of minorities in the Middle East. They wouldn’t lie, surely?
Some background is necessary. The Jizya has its origins in the Qur’an (9:29, Surah al-Tawbah) under which ‘people of scripture’ (Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians and Sabean-Mandeans) paid a tax in exchange for guarantees of protection. The Jizya has expressed itself in different ways down the centuries, always falling short of modern standards of religious freedom, but broadly allowing for selected minorities to keep their faith and to worship provided they cough up.
So how does this compare to the Jizya that Isis claims to offer? Well, if your only source is Isis, pretty well. ‘Dabiq’ – the group’s ‘periodical’ – has boasted repeatedly of Isis’s magnanimity in offering Christians the choice of paying Jizya. Only where Christians failed to meet the terms of the Jizya were they punished. So says Isis.
It’s completely untrue, of course, which, had the UN or the various NGOs bothered to consult the local Christians, they would have found out. Rather than the established Jizya practice – hardly praiseworthy in itself – what Isis has been doing is brutally extorting money from the few remaining Christians on pain of death. They call it a Jizya, but this is like saying that a bunch of bananas is a pencil. The defining characteristics are missing. There is no Christian worship in return. There is no protection. There are no priests, and Churches in the region have all been either destroyed or ‘repurposed’. Even if this were not the case, Christian worship would not be permitted, as recent years of unrestrained brutality have shown."
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https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/islamic-states-jizya-tax-christians-pure-propaganda/
ISIS has bastardized Islam.. and they come from the ranks of uneducated drug addicts and drunks.
Jizya exempted able-bodied men from military service.. and hasn't been around since the 18th century.
Where did you live in the Middle East? I lived there for a couple of decades and I'm a Christian.
christiefan915
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I never lived in the ME. I just started studying about Islam after 9/11.
Your usual whining after I destroy your argument.
Thanks.
Show me where the Bible instructs Christians to kill non-Christians.
christiefan915
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If you can't find and post specific words in that encyclical condemning Islam, then you've got nothing. And we all know it.
Bullshit. I stated "Islam is the world's biggest lie." You brought up some Catholic document that does not condemn Muslims. I'm talking about a religion, that Catholic document discusses individuals. Surely you can't be this dim.
Christianity borrowed from Judaism.. Is it also a lie?
It didn't "borrow" from Judaism.
It most certainly did.. and Judaism borrowed from Sumer, Egypt, the Ugarit and Assyria.
Wrong. The religion that borrowed from Judaism and Christianity is Islam. Nice try at deflection though, since I destroyed your last argument so completely.
Jesus was a Jew.. He lived and taught and worshipped as a Jew.. You don't know much about religion, do you? Where do you think the OT stories came from?
God created a new covenant through the physical life of Jesus. "Borrowed" is an entirely inappropriate term.