Democrats pick the wrong time for partisanship

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By: Chris Stirewalt
Political Editor
November 23, 2009
(AP file photo)
A dangerous mythology has gripped the Democratic Party.

It holds that the reason Democrats took a shellacking in the midterm elections of 1994 was that their members failed to pass Bill Clinton's health care overhaul.

The logic goes that if Congress had gone along with Clinton's $331 billion plan (who would have guessed it would end up seeming like a bargain?), Democrats wouldn't have lost 54 seats in the House. The Republicans could have won as many as 41 seats that year and remained in the minority, where they had been mired for 40 years.

Democrats have developed an alternate history for the past 15 years -- one in which New York Democratic Sen. Daniel Moynihan did not call the funding mechanism for the bill "a fantasy" and Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell did not opt to scuttle the plan rather than risk a humiliating defeat.

This alternate reality helps liberals forget that Clinton accomplished more than any Republican president to reform entitlements and balance the budget, two enduring goals of the conservative movement.

Never mind that Clinton's presidency was an id-driven voyage to the center of himself. In the revisionist history, it was the Senate Democrats' fault that not a single memorable liberal initiative grew out of the Clinton presidency. Once his serve was broken on health care, Republicans were emboldened and liberals were dispirited.

That's the message Clinton has been sending all year, and it was the purpose of a pep talk for Senate Democrats earlier this month: Don't be a party pooper like Moynihan or Mitchell. Get hip like Harry Reid and do what President Obama wants.

Clinton and Obama are tacitly telling the Senate that a dishonest, jerry-built piece of legislation can be fixed anytime, but that political momentum takes years, and maybe decades, to regain. The important thing is to just win, baby.

Yet for all the talk about 1994, Democrats seem to forget the national atmosphere at the time. They certainly don't seem to notice the similarities to the current climate.

It was not Republicanism that was on the rise in 1994. It was an anti-incumbent, anti-Washington attitude.

This was the decade of Ross Perot and Jesse Ventura, of term limits and third parties.

There's every reason to think that the narrow victory by George W. Bush in 2000 would have been another step in the continuing disintegration of the political status quo we saw starting in 1992.

But the national consciousness was reset by the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11 and subsequent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Americans rallied to their president after the attacks and the next three elections were referenda on the conduct of the war -- first in the favor of the GOP and then decidedly against it.

In 2008, Obama and his party won on the grounds of lingering dissatisfaction with the way President Bush waged the war, but mostly because of an economic panic that occurred on the Republican's watch.

Obama's actions show he believes the war against radical Islam is over. We are treating terrorists as criminals and Afghanistan as a peacekeeping and nation-building exercise.

Americans may worry about Obama's resolve in foreign affairs, but barring another attack, they will continue to be consumed by fiscal matters.

In this era of domestic focus, Obama has made the same mistake as Clinton did in his first term, the last time Americans were so fed up with Washington and angry at incumbents: He's introduced a flatly partisan, big-government health care plan.

With each day, worries grow over a stagnant economy, a spiraling deficit and a government that does many things but few of them well.

Obama's health plan offends on all of those fronts.

Americans know the plan will be an administrative nightmare that is far more expensive than advertised.

At a time when people are looking for thrift, humility and accountability in Washington, Obama and the Democrats propose a partisan plan that would leave Americans more frustrated with an unresponsive, unaffordable government.

In a recent AP poll, 61 percent of Americans advised Democrats to keep working on the legislation for as long as it took to get a bipartisan plan.

Obama evidently believes that Democrats should ditch bipartisanship, ignore public opinion and try to retain control by impressing voters by their willingness to use power.

Lawrence O'Donnell, a former aide to Moynihan who now squawks on MSNBC, told author Sally Bedell Smith that Clinton found his greatest success as "the editor of the Gingrich revolution."

If Democrats ignore public concerns on health care, they could end up with a reprise of 1994 in 2010 -- and Obama might find himself editing Republicans instead of writing his own grand narrative.

Chris Stirewalt is the political editor of The Washington Examiner. He can be reached at cstirewalt@dcexaminer.com.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...g-time-for-partisanship-8572207-71007767.html
 
We don't have enough partisanship. The Republican party should be banned, and all its members drug out and shot for their crimes against humanity.
 
Clinton and Obama are tacitly telling the Senate that a dishonest, jerry-built piece of legislation can be fixed anytime, but that political momentum takes years, and maybe decades, to regain. The important thing is to just win, baby.

The political momentum for a health care plan could very well take decades to build if this one doesn't pass. 15 years passed since the last initiative. The populace will become apathetic to any government effort in the future knowing it always ends up being nothing.

A solid direction for medical coverage for everyone is necessary. Once the momentum starts and the people see the benefits they will require their Reps to continue to work on it.

The first step has to be taken. We have to leave the barn and close the door. There's no going back.

As for a jerry-built piece of legislation, yes, it can be fixed any time. Dozens of countries do it every day. New treatments come available and coverage is adjusted appropriately and the cost per capita is considerably lower than the current US costs for a "pay or suffer" system.

The Dems need to move ahead as fast as possible so the plan can be put into action before any elections. Let the people see the benefits instead of just discussing it.

The Republican fear is once the benefits start to be realized there will be no turning back just as no other country with a government participation plan ever reverted to the old system. Not one country. The Repubs know that once the people get a taste of what citizens in other countries have experienced that will effectively cancel their position. It's the wooden stake in the heart of the blood-sucking, "pay or suffer" system.

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By: Chris Stirewalt
Political Editor
November 23, 2009
(AP file photo)
A dangerous mythology has gripped the Democratic Party.

It holds that the reason Democrats took a shellacking in the midterm elections of 1994 was that their members failed to pass Bill Clinton's health care overhaul.

The logic goes that if Congress had gone along with Clinton's $331 billion plan (who would have guessed it would end up seeming like a bargain?), Democrats wouldn't have lost 54 seats in the House. The Republicans could have won as many as 41 seats that year and remained in the minority, where they had been mired for 40 years.

Democrats have developed an alternate history for the past 15 years -- one in which New York Democratic Sen. Daniel Moynihan did not call the funding mechanism for the bill "a fantasy" and Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell did not opt to scuttle the plan rather than risk a humiliating defeat.

This alternate reality helps liberals forget that Clinton accomplished more than any Republican president to reform entitlements and balance the budget, two enduring goals of the conservative movement.

Never mind that Clinton's presidency was an id-driven voyage to the center of himself. In the revisionist history, it was the Senate Democrats' fault that not a single memorable liberal initiative grew out of the Clinton presidency. Once his serve was broken on health care, Republicans were emboldened and liberals were dispirited.

That's the message Clinton has been sending all year, and it was the purpose of a pep talk for Senate Democrats earlier this month: Don't be a party pooper like Moynihan or Mitchell. Get hip like Harry Reid and do what President Obama wants.

Clinton and Obama are tacitly telling the Senate that a dishonest, jerry-built piece of legislation can be fixed anytime, but that political momentum takes years, and maybe decades, to regain. The important thing is to just win, baby.

Yet for all the talk about 1994, Democrats seem to forget the national atmosphere at the time. They certainly don't seem to notice the similarities to the current climate.

It was not Republicanism that was on the rise in 1994. It was an anti-incumbent, anti-Washington attitude.

This was the decade of Ross Perot and Jesse Ventura, of term limits and third parties.

There's every reason to think that the narrow victory by George W. Bush in 2000 would have been another step in the continuing disintegration of the political status quo we saw starting in 1992.

But the national consciousness was reset by the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11 and subsequent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Americans rallied to their president after the attacks and the next three elections were referenda on the conduct of the war -- first in the favor of the GOP and then decidedly against it.

In 2008, Obama and his party won on the grounds of lingering dissatisfaction with the way President Bush waged the war, but mostly because of an economic panic that occurred on the Republican's watch.

Obama's actions show he believes the war against radical Islam is over. We are treating terrorists as criminals and Afghanistan as a peacekeeping and nation-building exercise.

Americans may worry about Obama's resolve in foreign affairs, but barring another attack, they will continue to be consumed by fiscal matters.

In this era of domestic focus, Obama has made the same mistake as Clinton did in his first term, the last time Americans were so fed up with Washington and angry at incumbents: He's introduced a flatly partisan, big-government health care plan.

With each day, worries grow over a stagnant economy, a spiraling deficit and a government that does many things but few of them well.

Obama's health plan offends on all of those fronts.

Americans know the plan will be an administrative nightmare that is far more expensive than advertised.

At a time when people are looking for thrift, humility and accountability in Washington, Obama and the Democrats propose a partisan plan that would leave Americans more frustrated with an unresponsive, unaffordable government.

In a recent AP poll, 61 percent of Americans advised Democrats to keep working on the legislation for as long as it took to get a bipartisan plan.

Obama evidently believes that Democrats should ditch bipartisanship, ignore public opinion and try to retain control by impressing voters by their willingness to use power.

Lawrence O'Donnell, a former aide to Moynihan who now squawks on MSNBC, told author Sally Bedell Smith that Clinton found his greatest success as "the editor of the Gingrich revolution."

If Democrats ignore public concerns on health care, they could end up with a reprise of 1994 in 2010 -- and Obama might find himself editing Republicans instead of writing his own grand narrative.

Chris Stirewalt is the political editor of The Washington Examiner. He can be reached at cstirewalt@dcexaminer.com.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...g-time-for-partisanship-8572207-71007767.html
 
By: Chris Stirewalt
Political Editor
November 23, 2009
(AP file photo)
A dangerous mythology has gripped the Democratic Party.

It holds that the reason Democrats took a shellacking in the midterm elections of 1994 was that their members failed to pass Bill Clinton's health care overhaul.

The logic goes that if Congress had gone along with Clinton's $331 billion plan (who would have guessed it would end up seeming like a bargain?), Democrats wouldn't have lost 54 seats in the House. The Republicans could have won as many as 41 seats that year and remained in the minority, where they had been mired for 40 years.

Democrats have developed an alternate history for the past 15 years -- one in which New York Democratic Sen. Daniel Moynihan did not call the funding mechanism for the bill "a fantasy" and Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell did not opt to scuttle the plan rather than risk a humiliating defeat.

This alternate reality helps liberals forget that Clinton accomplished more than any Republican president to reform entitlements and balance the budget, two enduring goals of the conservative movement.

Never mind that Clinton's presidency was an id-driven voyage to the center of himself. In the revisionist history, it was the Senate Democrats' fault that not a single memorable liberal initiative grew out of the Clinton presidency. Once his serve was broken on health care, Republicans were emboldened and liberals were dispirited.

That's the message Clinton has been sending all year, and it was the purpose of a pep talk for Senate Democrats earlier this month: Don't be a party pooper like Moynihan or Mitchell. Get hip like Harry Reid and do what President Obama wants.

Clinton and Obama are tacitly telling the Senate that a dishonest, jerry-built piece of legislation can be fixed anytime, but that political momentum takes years, and maybe decades, to regain. The important thing is to just win, baby.

Yet for all the talk about 1994, Democrats seem to forget the national atmosphere at the time. They certainly don't seem to notice the similarities to the current climate.

It was not Republicanism that was on the rise in 1994. It was an anti-incumbent, anti-Washington attitude.

This was the decade of Ross Perot and Jesse Ventura, of term limits and third parties.

There's every reason to think that the narrow victory by George W. Bush in 2000 would have been another step in the continuing disintegration of the political status quo we saw starting in 1992.

But the national consciousness was reset by the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11 and subsequent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Americans rallied to their president after the attacks and the next three elections were referenda on the conduct of the war -- first in the favor of the GOP and then decidedly against it.

In 2008, Obama and his party won on the grounds of lingering dissatisfaction with the way President Bush waged the war, but mostly because of an economic panic that occurred on the Republican's watch.

Obama's actions show he believes the war against radical Islam is over. We are treating terrorists as criminals and Afghanistan as a peacekeeping and nation-building exercise.

Americans may worry about Obama's resolve in foreign affairs, but barring another attack, they will continue to be consumed by fiscal matters.

In this era of domestic focus, Obama has made the same mistake as Clinton did in his first term, the last time Americans were so fed up with Washington and angry at incumbents: He's introduced a flatly partisan, big-government health care plan.

With each day, worries grow over a stagnant economy, a spiraling deficit and a government that does many things but few of them well.

Obama's health plan offends on all of those fronts.

Americans know the plan will be an administrative nightmare that is far more expensive than advertised.

At a time when people are looking for thrift, humility and accountability in Washington, Obama and the Democrats propose a partisan plan that would leave Americans more frustrated with an unresponsive, unaffordable government.

In a recent AP poll, 61 percent of Americans advised Democrats to keep working on the legislation for as long as it took to get a bipartisan plan.

Obama evidently believes that Democrats should ditch bipartisanship, ignore public opinion and try to retain control by impressing voters by their willingness to use power.

Lawrence O'Donnell, a former aide to Moynihan who now squawks on MSNBC, told author Sally Bedell Smith that Clinton found his greatest success as "the editor of the Gingrich revolution."

If Democrats ignore public concerns on health care, they could end up with a reprise of 1994 in 2010 -- and Obama might find himself editing Republicans instead of writing his own grand narrative.

Chris Stirewalt is the political editor of The Washington Examiner. He can be reached at cstirewalt@dcexaminer.com.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...g-time-for-partisanship-8572207-71007767.html
Geed Gawd Meme! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You're one of the most outrageous partisans on this board. You have about zero credibility on criticizing anyone about being partisan. What a joke! LOL
 
Geed Gawd Meme! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You're one of the most outrageous partisans on this board. You have about zero credibility on criticizing anyone about being partisan. What a joke! LOL

Do you have any comments on the article? or just more personal insults?
 
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The article forgot to take into consideration the vote theft that happened over all those years.

Bush would have never won the election in 2000 if thousands of legal voters had not been culled form the vote by the Florida felons list alone.
 
True, the Dems have no intention of keeping this bi-partisan. That's why they are shutting out the Republicans at their meetings. 2010 will be a good year for us.

something you don't hear from the lefties that they screeched about during Bush...

Rubber Stamping and Bipartisanship

not it's screw all those who don't agree, we have a majority ram it on through..
 
The article forgot to take into consideration the vote theft that happened over all those years.

Bush would have never won the election in 2000 if thousands of legal voters had not been culled form the vote by the Florida felons list alone Nader hadn't run.

This much is true.
 
Do you have any comments on the article? or just more personal insults?
Yea, Democrats spent 6 years locked out of the political process then 2 more years dealing with an ideologically driven but incompetent administration. The people have spoken and rejected that form of right wing extremism. To the author, where the hell were you 6 years ago you freaken cry baby. The far right has done nothing but obstruct any and all progress on health care reform based almost purely on partisanship and right wing ideology.

Given the fact that the American people have spoken and rejected the right wings perochial ineptitude and ideologiclly driven incompetence why should the Democrats reach out across the aisle?? Democrats started out agreeing to compromise with the right only to have them use that to attempt to undermine the entire process.

Ye reap what you sow. The right wing locked out the rest of this nation when you had the votes, now that the shoe is on the other foot you want to bitch and moan. Well my heart pumps piss for you. Don't really care what the right wing has to say, why should we? You've been wrong on virtually everything the last 10 years.
 
Yea, Democrats spent 6 years locked out of the political process then 2 more years dealing with an ideologically driven but incompetent administration. The people have spoken and rejected that form of right wing extremism.

what i'm pretty sure that most of America didn't vote for was swapping the neocon extremism for neoliberal extremism.
 
Yea, Democrats spent 6 years locked out of the political process then 2 more years dealing with an ideologically driven but incompetent administration. The people have spoken and rejected that form of right wing extremism. To the author, where the hell were you 6 years ago you freaken cry baby. The far right has done nothing but obstruct any and all progress on health care reform based almost purely on partisanship and right wing ideology.

Given the fact that the American people have spoken and rejected the right wings perochial ineptitude and ideologiclly driven incompetence why should the Democrats reach out across the aisle?? Democrats started out agreeing to compromise with the right only to have them use that to attempt to undermine the entire process.

Ye reap what you sow. The right wing locked out the rest of this nation when you had the votes, now that the shoe is on the other foot you want to bitch and moan. Well my heart pumps piss for you. Don't really care what the right wing has to say, why should we? You've been wrong on virtually everything the last 10 years.

wow, you've got all the left wing Democrats talking points down to a T..good job.:palm:
 
what i'm pretty sure that most of America didn't vote for was swapping the neocon extremism for neoliberal extremism.
That's true but there's little to no indication that this has occurred. Health Care reform is hardly revolutionary. In fact, considering all the wealthy industrialized and quite a few other nations have reformed their health care systems, to make them more accessible and cost affective then the US has, then reforming our system by adopting principles used successfully by other nations is hardly "liberal" it's common sense and opposing reform in face of the overwhelming evidence that reform is needed, from a political standpoint, is reactionary.

The American people voted for affective government. Not more ineffective reactionary conservatism. So you can't have your cake and eat it too.
 
wow, you've got all the left wing Democrats talking points down to a T..good job.:palm:
Lame answer. You might as well say "I can't refute what your saying so I'll say something irrelevent." I defy you to reference one democratic source for talking points in my post. Just one.
 
That's true but there's little to no indication that this has occurred. Health Care reform is hardly revolutionary. In fact, considering all the wealthy industrialized and quite a few other nations have reformed their health care systems, to make them more accessible and cost affective then the US has, then reforming our system by adopting principles used successfully by other nations is hardly "liberal" it's common sense and opposing reform in face of the overwhelming evidence that reform is needed, from a political standpoint, is reactionary.

The American people voted for affective government. Not more ineffective reactionary conservatism. So you can't have your cake and eat it too.


Now you're just using talking points.
Show me where "effective government" was on the ballot and then you can explain why Obama's poll numbers are dropping, if he's so effective.
 
That's true but there's little to no indication that this has occurred. Health Care reform is hardly revolutionary. In fact, considering all the wealthy industrialized and quite a few other nations have reformed their health care systems, to make them more accessible and cost affective then the US has, then reforming our system by adopting principles used successfully by other nations is hardly "liberal" it's common sense and opposing reform in face of the overwhelming evidence that reform is needed, from a political standpoint, is reactionary.

The American people voted for affective government. Not more ineffective reactionary conservatism. So you can't have your cake and eat it too.

What is most absurd is there is not one country the opponents of universal medical can point to and say, "See. It didn't work so they switched back to a "pay or suffer" system."

Not one example.
 
What is most absurd is there is not one country the opponents of universal medical can point to and say, "See. It didn't work so they switched back to a "pay or suffer" system."

Not one example.

But you like all Liberls just love your everythng is frree, as long as it's paid by someone else, system.
 
That's true but there's little to no indication that this has occurred. Health Care reform is hardly revolutionary. In fact, considering all the wealthy industrialized and quite a few other nations have reformed their health care systems, to make them more accessible and cost affective then the US has, then reforming our system by adopting principles used successfully by other nations is hardly "liberal" it's common sense and opposing reform in face of the overwhelming evidence that reform is needed, from a political standpoint, is reactionary.

The American people voted for affective government. Not more ineffective reactionary conservatism. So you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Who's to say what is being proposed is cost effective at all or going to make the system any more efficient?
 
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