Did Liberals cause the sub-prime crises? (answer, BTW, is n)

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http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=did_liberals_cause_the_subprime_crisis


Did Liberals Cause the Sub-Prime Crisis?

Conservatives blame the housing crisis on a 1977 law that helps-low income people get mortgages. It's a useful story for them, but it isn't true.






The idea started on the outer precincts of the right. Thomas DiLorenzo, an economist who calls Ron Paul "the Jefferson of our time," wrote in September that the housing crisis is "the direct result of thirty years of government policy that has forced banks to make bad loans to un-creditworthy borrowers." The policy DiLorenzo decries is the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act, which requires banks to lend throughout the communities they serve.

The Blame-CRA theme bounced around the right-wing Freerepublic.com. In January it figured in a Washington Times column. In February, a Cato Institute affiliate named Stan Liebowitz picked up the critique in a New York Post op-ed headlined "The Real Scandal: How the Feds Invented the Mortgage Mess." On The National Review's blog, The Corner, John Derbyshire channeled Liebowitz: "The folk losing their homes? are victims not of 'predatory lenders,' but of government-sponsored -- in fact government-mandated -- political correctness."

Last week, a more careful expression of the idea hit The Washington Post, in an article on former Sen. Phil Gramm's influence over John McCain. While two progressive economists were quoted criticizing Gramm's insistent opposition to government regulation, the Brookings Institution's Robert Litan offered an opposing perspective. Litan suggested that the 1990s enhancement of CRA, which was achieved over Gramm's fierce opposition, may have contributed to the current crisis. "If the CRA had not been so aggressively pushed," Litan said, "it is conceivable things would not be quite as bad. People have to be honest about that."

This is classic rhetoric of conservative reaction. (For fans of welfare policy, it is Charles Murray meets the mortgage mess.) Most analysts see the sub-prime crisis as a market failure. Believing the bubble would never pop, lenders approved risky adjustable-rate mortgages, often without considering whether borrowers could afford them; families took on those loans; investors bought them in securitized form; and, all the while, regulators sat on their hands.

The revisionists say the problem wasn't too little regulation; but too much, via CRA. The law was enacted in response to both intentional redlining and structural barriers to credit for low-income communities. CRA applies only to banks and thrifts that are federally insured; it's conceived as a quid pro quo for that privilege, among others. This means the law doesn't apply to independent mortgage companies (or payday lenders, check-cashers, etc.)

The law imposes on the covered depositories an affirmative duty to lend throughout the areas from which they take deposits, including poor neighborhoods. The law has teeth because regulators' ratings of banks' CRA performance become public and inform important decisions, notably merger approvals. Studies by the Federal Reserve and Harvard's Joint Center for Housing Studies, among others, have shown that CRA increased lending and homeownership in poor communities without undermining banks' profitability.

But CRA has always had critics, and they now suggest that the law went too far in encouraging banks to lend in struggling communities. Rhetoric aside, the argument turns on a simple question: In the current mortgage meltdown, did lenders approve bad loans to comply with CRA, or to make money?

The evidence strongly suggests the latter. First, consider timing. CRA was enacted in 1977. The sub-prime lending at the heart of the current crisis exploded a full quarter century later. In the mid-1990s, new CRA regulations and a wave of mergers led to a flurry of CRA activity, but, as noted by the New America Foundation's Ellen Seidman (and by Harvard's Joint Center), that activity "largely came to an end by 2001." In late 2004, the Bush administration announced plans to sharply weaken CRA regulations, pulling small and mid-sized banks out from under the law's toughest standards. Yet sub-prime lending continued, and even intensified -- at the very time when activity under CRA had slowed and the law had weakened.

Second, it is hard to blame CRA for the mortgage meltdown when CRA doesn't even apply to most of the loans that are behind it. As the University of Michigan's Michael Barr points out, half of sub-prime loans came from those mortgage companies beyond the reach of CRA. A further 25 to 30 percent came from bank subsidiaries and affiliates, which come under CRA to varying degrees but not as fully as banks themselves. (With affiliates, banks can choose whether to count the loans.) Perhaps one in four sub-prime loans were made by the institutions fully governed by CRA.

Most important, the lenders subject to CRA have engaged in less, not more, of the most dangerous lending. Janet Yellen, president of the San Francisco Federal Reserve, offers the killer statistic: Independent mortgage companies, which are not covered by CRA, made high-priced loans at more than twice the rate of the banks and thrifts. With this in mind, Yellen specifically rejects the "tendency to conflate the current problems in the sub-prime market with CRA-motivated lending.? CRA, Yellen says, "has increased the volume of responsible lending to low- and moderate-income households."

Yellen is hardly alone in concluding that the real problems came from the institutions beyond the reach of CRA. One of the only regulators who long ago saw the current crisis coming was the late Ned Gramlich, a former Fed governor. While Alan Greenspan was cheering the sub-prime boom, Gramlich warned of its risks and unsuccessfully pushed for greater supervision of bank affiliates. But Gramlich praised CRA, saying last year, "banks have made many low- and moderate-income mortgages to fulfill their CRA obligations, they have found default rates pleasantly low, and they generally charge low mortgages rates. Thirty years later, CRA has become very good business."

It's telling that, amid all the recent recriminations, even lenders have not fingered CRA. That's because CRA didn't bring about the reckless lending at the heart of the crisis. Just as sub-prime lending was exploding, CRA was losing force and relevance. And the worst offenders, the independent mortgage companies, were never subject to CRA -- or any federal regulator. Law didn't make them lend. The profit motive did.

And that is not political correctness. It is correctness.
 
The above analysis is SO wrong in so many areas. First it claims that financial troubles did not start until 25 years after CRA. WRONG. Personal debt SOARED in the early 80s, and personal bankruptcies tripled in less than a decade. It was a direct result of CRA requiring credit to be extending into income levels credit did not belong. Revolving credit was the first area to show the signs of strain because credit cards were the first of the lending industry to be extended to income level previously denied.

The housing market was not affected at first, because lenders continued to refuse mortgage loans in high risk markets, despite CRA. That is when the factors leading to the current crisis became bi-partisan. The republicans pointed out that regulations on the lending industry were responsible for lenders unwillingness to approach high risk markets. So the democrats jumped on the band wagon to reduce and/or eliminate those regulations that hindered full application of CRA.

Second, the article claims that blame is aimed ONLY at CRA. Again, it is wrong. CRA was simply the BEGINNING of the factors leading to the crisis we have today. The problem is CRA would not have worked unless other regulations were relaxed - such as interest caps. That is why, contrary to their usual practice, democrats were with the republicans in many of the lending industry regulations being relaxed or removed over the last 30+ years. No lender is going to engage in high risk lending unless it is made profitable by using high interest rates on high risk loans, thus making those who DO pay back their high risk loans pay for those who don't. They could not raise ALL interest rates because they would have lost the majority of their clients, who belong in the medium risk and low risk categories. With the relaxation of interest caps, PLUS the CRA pushing lenders into the high risk market, predatory lending became the practice ENCOURAGED by good ol' Uncle Sam - including (but not limited to) liberal democrats.

Then when the economic structure based on debit living, encouraged by CRA and deregulating the lending industry, became (as was inevitable) unstable, congress, INCLUDING LIBERALS, acted again to shore up the house of cards by allowing high risk investment to hold hands with high risk lending practices.

The whole mess has been very much a bi-partisan effort of mismanagement, adding regulations in the wrong place, and removing good regulations from where they belong. But the original trigger remains CRA of 1977 - a bad set of regulations in the wrong place - no matter how liberals want to deny it.
 
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http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=did_liberals_cause_the_subprime_crisis


Did Liberals Cause the Sub-Prime Crisis?

Conservatives blame the housing crisis on a 1977 law that helps-low income people get mortgages. It's a useful story for them, but it isn't true.






The idea started on the outer precincts of the right. Thomas DiLorenzo, an economist who calls Ron Paul "the Jefferson of our time," wrote in September that the housing crisis is "the direct result of thirty years of government policy that has forced banks to make bad loans to un-creditworthy borrowers." The policy DiLorenzo decries is the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act, which requires banks to lend throughout the communities they serve.

The Blame-CRA theme bounced around the right-wing Freerepublic.com. In January it figured in a Washington Times column. In February, a Cato Institute affiliate named Stan Liebowitz picked up the critique in a New York Post op-ed headlined "The Real Scandal: How the Feds Invented the Mortgage Mess." On The National Review's blog, The Corner, John Derbyshire channeled Liebowitz: "The folk losing their homes? are victims not of 'predatory lenders,' but of government-sponsored -- in fact government-mandated -- political correctness."

Last week, a more careful expression of the idea hit The Washington Post, in an article on former Sen. Phil Gramm's influence over John McCain. While two progressive economists were quoted criticizing Gramm's insistent opposition to government regulation, the Brookings Institution's Robert Litan offered an opposing perspective. Litan suggested that the 1990s enhancement of CRA, which was achieved over Gramm's fierce opposition, may have contributed to the current crisis. "If the CRA had not been so aggressively pushed," Litan said, "it is conceivable things would not be quite as bad. People have to be honest about that."

This is classic rhetoric of conservative reaction. (For fans of welfare policy, it is Charles Murray meets the mortgage mess.) Most analysts see the sub-prime crisis as a market failure. Believing the bubble would never pop, lenders approved risky adjustable-rate mortgages, often without considering whether borrowers could afford them; families took on those loans; investors bought them in securitized form; and, all the while, regulators sat on their hands.

The revisionists say the problem wasn't too little regulation; but too much, via CRA. The law was enacted in response to both intentional redlining and structural barriers to credit for low-income communities. CRA applies only to banks and thrifts that are federally insured; it's conceived as a quid pro quo for that privilege, among others. This means the law doesn't apply to independent mortgage companies (or payday lenders, check-cashers, etc.)

The law imposes on the covered depositories an affirmative duty to lend throughout the areas from which they take deposits, including poor neighborhoods. The law has teeth because regulators' ratings of banks' CRA performance become public and inform important decisions, notably merger approvals. Studies by the Federal Reserve and Harvard's Joint Center for Housing Studies, among others, have shown that CRA increased lending and homeownership in poor communities without undermining banks' profitability.

But CRA has always had critics, and they now suggest that the law went too far in encouraging banks to lend in struggling communities. Rhetoric aside, the argument turns on a simple question: In the current mortgage meltdown, did lenders approve bad loans to comply with CRA, or to make money?

The evidence strongly suggests the latter. First, consider timing. CRA was enacted in 1977. The sub-prime lending at the heart of the current crisis exploded a full quarter century later. In the mid-1990s, new CRA regulations and a wave of mergers led to a flurry of CRA activity, but, as noted by the New America Foundation's Ellen Seidman (and by Harvard's Joint Center), that activity "largely came to an end by 2001." In late 2004, the Bush administration announced plans to sharply weaken CRA regulations, pulling small and mid-sized banks out from under the law's toughest standards. Yet sub-prime lending continued, and even intensified -- at the very time when activity under CRA had slowed and the law had weakened.

Second, it is hard to blame CRA for the mortgage meltdown when CRA doesn't even apply to most of the loans that are behind it. As the University of Michigan's Michael Barr points out, half of sub-prime loans came from those mortgage companies beyond the reach of CRA. A further 25 to 30 percent came from bank subsidiaries and affiliates, which come under CRA to varying degrees but not as fully as banks themselves. (With affiliates, banks can choose whether to count the loans.) Perhaps one in four sub-prime loans were made by the institutions fully governed by CRA.

Most important, the lenders subject to CRA have engaged in less, not more, of the most dangerous lending. Janet Yellen, president of the San Francisco Federal Reserve, offers the killer statistic: Independent mortgage companies, which are not covered by CRA, made high-priced loans at more than twice the rate of the banks and thrifts. With this in mind, Yellen specifically rejects the "tendency to conflate the current problems in the sub-prime market with CRA-motivated lending.? CRA, Yellen says, "has increased the volume of responsible lending to low- and moderate-income households."

Yellen is hardly alone in concluding that the real problems came from the institutions beyond the reach of CRA. One of the only regulators who long ago saw the current crisis coming was the late Ned Gramlich, a former Fed governor. While Alan Greenspan was cheering the sub-prime boom, Gramlich warned of its risks and unsuccessfully pushed for greater supervision of bank affiliates. But Gramlich praised CRA, saying last year, "banks have made many low- and moderate-income mortgages to fulfill their CRA obligations, they have found default rates pleasantly low, and they generally charge low mortgages rates. Thirty years later, CRA has become very good business."

It's telling that, amid all the recent recriminations, even lenders have not fingered CRA. That's because CRA didn't bring about the reckless lending at the heart of the crisis. Just as sub-prime lending was exploding, CRA was losing force and relevance. And the worst offenders, the independent mortgage companies, were never subject to CRA -- or any federal regulator. Law didn't make them lend. The profit motive did.

And that is not political correctness. It is correctness.

Water, great piece, thanks for posting it.

It's amazing how the scummy little corporate facists are already hard at work revising history. What's pathetic, is the low to medium earners who support them on message boards. I truly feel sorry for them. The billionaires who are getting their tax dollars, laugh at them while flying around on their private planes. I'd rather be anything, than taken for an ass, who billionaires laugh at.

I feel soooo sorry for them. Billionaires' bitches, and too stupid to know better.
 
What is truly ironic is that we have billionaires like Buffet and Soros who want the middle and lower class to be better off, and we have low-income earners here fighting for the rich. Utterly ridiculous.
 
The above analysis is SO wrong in so many areas. First it claims that financial troubles did not start until 25 years after CRA. WRONG. Personal debt SOARED in the early 80s, and personal bankruptcies tripled in less than a decade. It was a direct result of CRA requiring credit to be extending into income levels credit did not belong. Revolving credit was the first area to show the signs of strain because credit cards were the first of the lending industry to be extended to income level previously denied.

The housing market was not affected at first, because lenders continued to refuse mortgage loans in high risk markets, despite CRA. That is when the factors leading to the current crisis became bi-partisan. The republicans pointed out that regulations on the lending industry were responsible for lenders unwillingness to approach high risk markets. So the democrats jumped on the band wagon to reduce and/or eliminate those regulations that hindered full application of CRA.

Second, the article claims that blame is aimed ONLY at CRA. Again, it is wrong. CRA was simply the BEGINNING of the factors leading to the crisis we have today. The problem is CRA would not have worked unless other regulations were relaxed - such as interest caps. That is why, contrary to their usual practice, democrats were with the republicans in many of the lending industry regulations being relaxed or removed over the last 30+ years. No lender is going to engage in high risk lending unless it is made profitable by using high interest rates on high risk loans, thus making those who DO pay back their high risk loans pay for those who don't. They could not raise ALL interest rates because they would have lost the majority of their clients, who belong in the medium risk and low risk categories. With the relaxation of interest caps, PLUS the CRA pushing lenders into the high risk market, predatory lending became the practice ENCOURAGED by good ol' Uncle Sam - including (but not limited to) liberal democrats.

Then when the economic structure based on debit living, encouraged by CRA and deregulating the lending industry, became (as was inevitable) unstable, congress, INCLUDING LIBERALS, acted again to shore up the house of cards by allowing high risk investment to hold hands with high risk lending practices.

The whole mess has been very much a bi-partisan effort of mismanagement, adding regulations in the wrong place, and removing good regulations from where they belong. But the original trigger remains CRA of 1977 - a bad set of regulations in the wrong place - no matter how liberals want to deny it.

If we had never deregulated this would have never had happened.

If the CRA hadn't passed and we had deregulated, we'd still be in the same exact mess. This is an attempt to create a false balance where there is none.
 
What deregulation caused the mess water? Let's get rid of the vague bs and talk specifics.

Was it the regulation that allowed BofA to merge with Meryl Lynch and JP Morgan to soak up Bear Stearns?
 
What deregulation caused the mess water? Let's get rid of the vague bs and talk specifics.

Was it the regulation that allowed BofA to merge with Meryl Lynch and JP Morgan to soak up Bear Stearns?

Was it regulation that allowed a bailout?

There is a point in time, RS, when your idealistic political philosophy finds itself beyond the realm of reason and in the area of denialism. Laissez-faire ideailsts have been there a long time.
 
What deregulation caused the mess water? Let's get rid of the vague bs and talk specifics.

Was it the regulation that allowed BofA to merge with Meryl Lynch and JP Morgan to soak up Bear Stearns?
I can answer that one. One of the primary deregulations that allowed this mess to occur was deregulating interest rates. Prior to that the idea of high risk lending was not profitable. The interest rates under prior restraints could not be juggled enough to make up for the anticipated defaults. When interest rates were allowed to go into realms previously reserved for loan sharking, then high risk lending became profitable. Add to that the pressure on the lending industry to not only accept high risk clients, but actually seek them out in order to meet CRA guidelines, and predatory lending became the standard practice in the high risk area.

The thing to keep in focus is no one item, by itself, made the mess. CRA, by itself, would have been just another ineffective piece of idealism, since the practicality of high risk lending under regulations of the time would have made it impossible. Deregulating interest rates, by itself, would have had little effect since lending companies would not have sought out the high risk market without pressure from CRA.

The sad thing is those who want to do the "It's their fault and only their fault" blame game. Dipshits and brainless twits in unbelievable numbers. Amazing some of them can shut down their cognitive process so low as to believe without question the shit their respective party national committees tell them to believe, and still have the capacity to walk upright.
 
Was it regulation that allowed a bailout?

There is a point in time, RS, when your idealistic political philosophy finds itself beyond the realm of reason and in the area of denialism. Laissez-faire ideailsts have been there a long time.

So, you cannot answer.
 
WaterM and Darla.....lol..2 hacks in denial.....

99.9999999998% of America KNOWS the problem was loaning money to folks that would never be able to pay it back to the banks, along with no downpayment house purchases, and sub-prime lending...........
everything the Liberals wanted so that the "poor" could buy homes....the CRA in a nutshell...

Everyone except Water and Darla that is...
 
WaterM and Darla.....lol..2 hacks in denial.....

99.9999999998% of America KNOWS the problem was loaning money to folks that would never be able to pay it back to the banks, along with no downpayment house purchases, and sub-prime lending...........
everything the Liberals wanted so that the "poor" could buy homes....the CRA in a nutshell...

Everyone except Water and Darla that is...

But it was the deregulators that got rid of many standards, and allowed investment banks and commercial banks to collude in creating new investment products containing these bogus loans. Deregulation is firmly on your side of the aisle, monkey boy.
 
But it was the deregulators that got rid of many standards, and allowed investment banks and commercial banks to collude in creating new investment products containing these bogus loans. Deregulation is firmly on your side of the aisle, monkey boy.

As I pointed out, without that deregulation there'd be either more companies buying it or being bailed out by the government. Market bailouts would not be possible.

The government enabled the MBS's through F&F and the Dems cheered it.
 
WaterM and Darla.....lol..2 hacks in denial.....

99.9999999998% of America KNOWS the problem was loaning money to folks that would never be able to pay it back to the banks, along with no downpayment house purchases, and sub-prime lending...........
everything the Liberals wanted so that the "poor" could buy homes....the CRA in a nutshell...

Everyone except Water and Darla that is...

From what I saw the banks were eager as heck to loan it to them.

So I guess the finiancial institutions were as stupid as the poor people of the USA ?

MBA Morons
 
WaterM and Darla.....lol..2 hacks in denial.....

99.9999999998% of America KNOWS the problem was loaning money to folks that would never be able to pay it back to the banks, along with no downpayment house purchases, and sub-prime lending...........
everything the Liberals wanted so that the "poor" could buy homes....the CRA in a nutshell...

Everyone except Water and Darla that is...

What was the problem?

Criminal-loving Republicans took the cops off the beat and let the criminals run free. That is what happened, and this is the result.
 
Water, Darla,

One key point to ask yourself is why in other countries with varying levels of regulation did we NOT see the same housing crisis? Was it because American bankers were especially greedy or incompetent? Of course not.
The difference is in government regulation. Sometimes it is tempting to believe that it was because America is less regulated as America is viewed as a more Conservative country, and it is OVERALL, but it also has the most left-wing places on earth, (e.g. Detroit, San Fran, etc...). And reps from those areas propose and help push some of the wackiest left-wing laws.
The entire article above speaks of the 1977 CRA, but omits the more Liberal changes that Clinton made to it in the 90's where the boom in sub-prime loans started.

"The Clinton Administration's regulatory revisions [1] with an effective starting date of January 31, 1995 were credited with substantially increasing the number and aggregate amount of loans to small businesses and to low- and moderate-income borrowers for home loans. The revisions allowed the securitization of CRA loans containing subprime mortgages."


In any case I don't see the current so-called "crisis" as a problem or a problem with capitalism, just let the businesses fail that deserve to fail because of bad decisions.
 
Water, Darla,

One key point to ask yourself is why in other countries with varying levels of regulation did we NOT see the same housing crisis? Was it because American bankers were especially greedy or incompetent? Of course not.
The difference is in government regulation. Sometimes it is tempting to believe that it was because America is less regulated as America is viewed as a more Conservative country, and it is OVERALL, but it also has the most left-wing places on earth, (e.g. Detroit, San Fran, etc...). And reps from those areas propose and help push some of the wackiest left-wing laws.
The entire article above speaks of the 1977 CRA, but omits the more Liberal changes that Clinton made to it in the 90's where the boom in sub-prime loans started.

"The Clinton Administration's regulatory revisions [1] with an effective starting date of January 31, 1995 were credited with substantially increasing the number and aggregate amount of loans to small businesses and to low- and moderate-income borrowers for home loans. The revisions allowed the securitization of CRA loans containing subprime mortgages."


In any case I don't see the current so-called "crisis" as a problem or a problem with capitalism, just let the businesses fail that deserve to fail because of bad decisions.


This is all completely out of your arse.

Why are conservatives in such denial about EVERYTHING? Is this what it has really come to?

I'm alarmed that a significant portion of my countrymen have lost their minds in their efforts to spin the failures of conservatism & the GOP. This, more than anything else, will be Bush's legacy; a near-insane state of denial for many on the right.
 
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