From Obama's Own Lips: He is against a spending freeze

KingCondanomation

KingCondanomation

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This was THE most critical comment of the debate and it clearly shows that Obama is not as interested in controlling spending as McCain is:

"OXFORD, Mississippi (CNN) – Sen. John McCain, the Republican candidate for president, said Friday he would seriously consider freezing all government spending except for defense and care of veterans.

Sen. Barack Obama, his Democratic opponent, said that would be "using a hatchet where you need a scalpel.""
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/26/mccain-would-consider-sweeping-spending-freeze/


Wow, I'm sure glad we're electing that guy for some "change" on the Republicans reckless spending. Or maybe, despite the Repubs shitty record on spending (notice I am not praising them), the Dems under Obama STILL want to spend more.

And to top it off, hey Obama, a hatchet would imply some cuts, not a freeze, so stupid analogy. Although hmm, maybe Dems really do see spending freezes as "cuts".
 
He has said this throughout the campaign, since the bank debacle. It's no secret.

The way you write about it, it's clear that you don't understand it. Any sort of across-the-board freeze is definitely a hatchet job. Frankly, it's lazy; there is plenty that can be cut from the budget without hurting people's lives or the way we do business.
 
Onceler said:
He has said this throughout the campaign, since the bank debacle. It's no secret.

The way you write about it, it's clear that you don't understand it. Any sort of across-the-board freeze is definitely a hatchet job. Frankly, it's lazy; there is plenty that can be cut from the budget without hurting people's lives or the way we do business.
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Well there is plenty that can be cut but did Obama talk about any tangible real cuts? If government froze spending it would not hurt my life, not even a little. It would help far more with curtailing runaway debt which is fueled by runaway spending.

Both parties have moved further to the left, Obama will spend more than McCain.
 
"If government froze spending it would not hurt my life, not even a little."

The extent of your cluelessness still continues to amaze.

I really don't even know where to begin with that....
 
Onceler said:
"If government froze spending it would not hurt my life, not even a little."

The extent of your cluelessness still continues to amaze.

I really don't even know where to begin with that....
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Lorax, spending is way out of control, we have enough spending increases to last for years, the one area of roads where this might POSSIBLY impact me even then I brush off knowing that the bloat in the last transportation bill is more than enough to get by for years.

I'm just not dependent on government, most people are not and certainly not on spending increases. In fact any time I've been through spending cuts, I haven't noticed it even a little, other than a better economy with debt more under control, like in the 90's with spending reductions there.

McCain really should be talking about spending cuts, after a now ridiculous 3+ trillion dollar budget rather than a freeze but I'll take that over Obama's insistence on needing spending increases anyday.
 
Suspend ALL government spending? Are you fucking crazy?

Just let medicare patients go without their medicines and die? Only a conservative would be that cruel. Save poor fetuses, but murder the poor.
 
Watermark said:
Suspend ALL government spending? Are you fucking crazy?

Just let medicare patients go without their medicines and die? Only a conservative would be that cruel. Save poor fetuses, but murder the poor.
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He said or meant suspend all increases in government spending. Not suspend all spending.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Lorax, spending is way out of control, we have enough spending increases to last for years, the one area of roads where this might POSSIBLY impact me even then I brush off knowing that the bloat in the last transportation bill is more than enough to get by for years.

I'm just not dependent on government, most people are not and certainly not on spending increases. In fact any time I've been through spending cuts, I haven't noticed it even a little, other than a better economy with debt more under control, like in the 90's with spending reductions there.

McCain really should be talking about spending cuts, after a now ridiculous 3+ trillion dollar budget rather than a freeze but I'll take that over Obama's insistence on needing spending increases anyday.
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Well Dano, it's not all about you. And the sate does far more than you could ever realize. You wouldn't even have a job without the state.
 
cawacko said:
He said or meant suspend all increases in government spending. Not suspend all spending.
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Increases? You mean like to account for inflation and such? So you basically mean, a blunt and unsophisticated cut to every government agency, no matter it's need?

Dumbass conservatives.
 
Watermark said:
Well Dano, it's not all about you. And the sate does far more than you could ever realize. You wouldn't even have a job without the state.
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Nonsense. 1 out of 4 workers in France is employed by government and they have one of the highest unemployment rates. Less government equals more jobs, as less taxes and regulations mean more job-creating businesses are attracted and more encouraged to innovate within America.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Nonsense. 1 out of 4 workers in France is employed by government and they have one of the highest unemployment rates. Less government equals more jobs, as less taxes and regulations mean more job-creating businesses are attracted and more encouraged to innovate within America.
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Dano, did I suggest that we nationalize a ton of industries so that the government can employ everyone? I am a social liberal, not a socialist. I've never suggesting that the state should seize the means of production and redistribute the profits to the workers, which is the Socialist ideology. The only thing that I've said is that the state should take care of the poor in our society that a free market naturally creates, which was never a Socialist idea. You faggots try to twist the meaning of the word in some kind insult for people who care about the poor, whenever it's not insulting, it's just stupid, childish, and inaccurate.

The fact is, that with government subsidies to community colleges and to your schooling, you would at best be working in a coal mine right now, and our unemployment rate would be way above Frances.

And what is that country in the OCED with the lowest unemployment? New Zealand. Not America, because of the right.

Less regulation = more corruption. Less regulation is what got us into this whole housing mess. It's incredible, every right wing policy over the past thirty years has been an absolute catastrohpe, and they still pretend like their models are workable.
 
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Watermark said:
Dano, did I suggest that we nationalize a ton of industries so that the government can employ everyone? The fact is, that with government subsidies to community colleges and to your schooling, you would at best be working in a coal mine right now, and our unemployment rate would be way above Frances.
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My college schooling was private, I paid for it, me, not even took a student loan.
Maybe you should retake a look at which ideology has traditionally subsidized and supported unionized coal miners and preserving their jobs.

Watermark said:
And what is that country in the OCED with the lowest unemployment? New Zealand. Not America, because of the right.
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New Zealand underwent drastic cuts to gov spending after racking up debt in decades before. Their farm subsidies for instance are near zero.

Watermark said:
Less regulation = more corruption. Less regulation is what got us into this whole housing mess. It's incredible, every right wing policy over the past thirty years has been an absolute catastrohpe, and they still pretend like their models are workable.
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Fannie and Freddie are at the heart of the problem and they are government backed entities, the fully private sector did FAR better at giving out loans. the CRA also worsened the problem with bad loans.
All deregulation did was make more choice and more loans available, it NEVER caused more BAD loans and was never the root of the problem.
 
cawacko said:
He said or meant suspend all increases in government spending. Not suspend all spending.
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Even IF we suspend all increases in government spending (what McCain wants to do) and do not propose ANY new spending (as Obama wants to do) we are still running an annual deficit of $500 billion. But McCain would not be able to do this, because as soon as he "froze" spending, liberals would start screaming "CUTS--CUTS---CUTS!" and make him look like a heartless ogre, and McCain would fold like a cheap Walmart tent, as always.

It's all okay though... When Obama wins, he will find a way to give us all free healthcare, tax cuts, rebate checks, education programs, business incentives, alternative fuels, and still balance the budget!
 
KingCondanomation said:
New Zealand underwent drastic cuts to gov spending after racking up debt in decades before. Their farm subsidies for instance are near zero.
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And they are STILL a million times more liberal than America. New Zealand is an ideal state. It is an example of how a country can be successful without being heartless. France is not. It is an example of too much government intervention gone amok. Not even the right believes in the free market in France. But in America and New Zealand, even the left does. They just have different priorities than the right.
 
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Dixie said:
When Obama wins, he will find a way to give us all free healthcare, tax cuts, rebate checks, education programs, business incentives, alternative fuels, and still balance the budget!
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When he does this in 8 years, will you lick my boots and let me kick you in the nose?
 
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