Good Article by Harvard Economist Against the Bailout

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/feb/19/nation/na-preempt19


The idea behind another California law was simple: Tell credit cardholders on monthly bills how long it would take to retire their debt if they paid the minimum amount.

But major banks issuing most of the nation’s credit cards didn’t like it. In a 2002 court challenge, they attacked the state’s credit disclosure law with help from a powerful ally.

The U.S. Office of the Comptroller of the Currency joined forces with the American Banking Assn., Citibank and other plaintiffs, arguing in a friend-of-the-court brief that the law interfered with federal authority to regulate national banks, and with powers granted to the banks by their federal charters.

A federal judge blocked the law from going into effect, and the state lost a subsequent appeal.

Intervention by the comptroller’s office “definitely tipped the balance,” said Gail Hillebrand, a lawyer for Consumers Union, which had backed the state’s position.

In recent years, the comptroller’s office on many occasions has helped national banks and their subsidiaries fend off investigations or enforcement actions by state officials on preemption grounds.

In 2004, for example, the agency helped to shoot down a California law that would have required customer permission before banks shared their personal information with business affiliates.

Although a U.S. District Court judge upheld the privacy law, an appeals court ruled last year that its major provisions were preempted by federal law.

Last year, the agency went to court on the side of a banking association to block an investigation by New York Atty. Gen. Eliot Spitzer into possible racial bias in the lending practices of several banks.

A federal judge agreed that Spitzer’s investigation “impermissibly infringes” on the authority of the comptroller’s office. The state is appealing.

Turf battles over banking regulation have occurred in the past, but the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency has become more aggressive in pushing preemption under Bush.

Agency officials say they have zero tolerance for abusive practices and bristle at complaints that they might be chasing off state watchdogs to the detriment of consumers.

The banks “have an enormous body of consumer compliance laws and regulations that we apply to them at the federal level,” said Julie L. Williams, the agency’s senior deputy comptroller and chief counsel.

But Arthur E. Wilmarth Jr., a George Washington University professor specializing in banking law, said, “The OCC hasn’t been, shall we say, a very zealous enforcer on the consumer side
 
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Oh, please you haven't offered anything of substance as to why this is a good idea from your own thoughts or line of rationing. You've just been parroting the same fear driven talking points to get everyone else to fall in line and just give $700B away.

And you are being reckless.
 
This is the most ridiculous distortion I've heard out of you in a while Dano. Good job.
In other words: I swore.
Well how much of this crap of seeing you and Desh go on here every single day and contrast it to the Great Depression and blame the free market when the policies done both then and now were/are the opposite of what goes on in a free market.

Lots of people lie on here, you lie and blame your victim. Crazy.
 
In other words: I swore.
Well how much of this crap of seeing you and Desh go on here every single day and contrast it to the Great Depression and blame the free market when the policies done both then and now were/are the opposite of what goes on in a free market.

Lots of people lie on here, you lie and blame your victim. Crazy.

Uh-huh. Go on.
 
It's hardly shocking when an ignorant twit doesn't know WTF he's talking about
LOL. You have to give him some credit though, he's pretty good at making himself sound like he knows what he's talking about with his confident made up facts.
I used to have a friend sort of like that, when someone asked him what he did for a job, he'd make up a job with incredible technical BS as a joke and nearly everyone was fooled into thinking it existed. Of course he just did it for a laugh, Watermark sounds like he believes his own made up on the fly BS sometimes.
 
Talk of Armageddon, however, is ridiculous scare-mongering.

You may be right. The wolf cry usually has a hidden agenda attached IMO.

The truth is, no economist will bet a lot on which direction we will go right now. Some being more credible than others of course--but nobody really knows. In my mind, they burnt the candle from both ends--socialism in housing--lending up to 3 times what they actually had (trying to beat the private sector in cost of a loan), and irresponsible global trade, causeing people to make less money and lose jobs. There is only about 2% of the home owners out there that are in trouble--and F&F can't cover a 2% total loss.

Isn't socialism just the best!!!

If ya can't beat the private sector---join them.
 
LOL. You have to give him some credit though, he's pretty good at making himself sound like he knows what he's talking about with his confident made up facts.
I used to have a friend sort of like that, when someone asked him what he did for a job, he'd make up a job with incredible technical BS as a joke and nearly everyone was fooled into thinking it existed. Of course he just did it for a laugh, Watermark sounds like he believes his own made up on the fly BS sometimes.

Ever think that maybe I know what I'm talking about and the right wing hack you're reading at the moment doesn't?
 
LOL. You have to give him some credit though, he's pretty good at making himself sound like he knows what he's talking about with his confident made up facts.
I used to have a friend sort of like that, when someone asked him what he did for a job, he'd make up a job with incredible technical BS as a joke and nearly everyone was fooled into thinking it existed. Of course he just did it for a laugh, Watermark sounds like he believes his own made up on the fly BS sometimes.

I think WM is either nuts---or just messing with us sometimes. He is a young vet here--and I am sure he gets board---not having his own life and all ya know.

Personally---I think he falls in the mental illness layer of the Dem party a bit more than him messing around.

May be there is a conservative rehab support group that can help him? Golly gee--I hope so. It is never too early to learn how to take care of yourself so possible conditioned philosophies don't take you down with the herd.

Listen---Shhhhh------Listen---I hear the herd crying now! Hear it? The self serving rulers of our economy are crying because their failed socialists experiment---and want individuals to bail them out.

The innocient people that will suffer are collatoral damage caused from a slight oversight in the socialists world plan? Hmmmmm---no shit!

I don't want to see innocent people suffer---but I did not accept the responsibility that put our people in this postiion. The socialists in the government accepted responsibility when they told the banks "use F&F or else". Now---the socialists want individuals to bail out their failed experiment.


Another good thread man!
 
Ever think that maybe I know what I'm talking about and the right wing hack you're reading at the moment doesn't?


Once in a while. I can give ya that. You just never admitt when your wrong, even if proven with 100% fact. you slime around like a con artist with things like. "Silence of obama is a good action" when Paulson is going to rip off every man woman and child in the nation.
 
Tell us WM----why did the socialist experiment of "affordable housing for all" fail? It was ran exactly as planned as a socialization experiment, and it just failed. The private industry of home loans had nothing to do with it--F&F were under cutting them. The private indsutries should be going out of business in a socialists world---so why did the socialists fail this time? Ask your dad or liberal school teacher. In fact--ask three of the so called social p;rofessionals why it failed, and I bet you get a bunch of different answers.

I know the answer, but your not paying me big bucks to condition you--so you would not believe it.

Because socialism can't compete with capatolism for prosperity of a people. The experiment was destened to fail. Get over it---you were conditioned, and taken advantage of.

This F&F failure should be a wake up call to all so called progressives in the states. You still have time to question what you learned WM. You see the evidence that warrent questions.
 
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"CAMBRIDGE, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Congress has balked at the Bush administration's proposed $700 billion bailout of Wall Street. Under this plan, the Treasury would have bought the "troubled assets" of financial institutions in an attempt to avoid economic meltdown.

This bailout was a terrible idea. Here's why.

The current mess would never have occurred in the absence of ill-conceived federal policies. The federal government chartered Fannie Mae in 1938 and Freddie Mac in 1970; these two mortgage lending institutions are at the center of the crisis. The government implicitly promised these institutions that it would make good on their debts, so Fannie and Freddie took on huge amounts of excessive risk.

Worse, beginning in 1977 and even more in the 1990s and the early part of this century, Congress pushed mortgage lenders and Fannie/Freddie to expand subprime lending. The industry was happy to oblige, given the implicit promise of federal backing, and subprime lending soared.

This subprime lending was more than a minor relaxation of existing credit guidelines. This lending was a wholesale abandonment of reasonable lending practices in which borrowers with poor credit characteristics got mortgages they were ill-equipped to handle.

Once housing prices declined and economic conditions worsened, defaults and delinquencies soared, leaving the industry holding large amounts of severely depreciated mortgage assets.

The fact that government bears such a huge responsibility for the current mess means any response should eliminate the conditions that created this situation in the first place, not attempt to fix bad government with more government.

The obvious alternative to a bailout is letting troubled financial institutions declare bankruptcy. Bankruptcy means that shareholders typically get wiped out and the creditors own the company.

Bankruptcy does not mean the company disappears; it is just owned by someone new (as has occurred with several airlines). Bankruptcy punishes those who took excessive risks while preserving those aspects of a businesses that remain profitable.

In contrast, a bailout transfers enormous wealth from taxpayers to those who knowingly engaged in risky subprime lending. Thus, the bailout encourages companies to take large, imprudent risks and count on getting bailed out by government. This "moral hazard" generates enormous distortions in an economy's allocation of its financial resources.

Thoughtful advocates of the bailout might concede this perspective, but they argue that a bailout is necessary to prevent economic collapse. According to this view, lenders are not making loans, even for worthy projects, because they cannot get capital. This view has a grain of truth; if the bailout does not occur, more bankruptcies are possible and credit conditions may worsen for a time.

Talk of Armageddon, however, is ridiculous scare-mongering. If financial institutions cannot make productive loans, a profit opportunity exists for someone else. This might not happen instantly, but it will happen.

Further, the current credit freeze is likely due to Wall Street's hope of a bailout; bankers will not sell their lousy assets for 20 cents on the dollar if the government might pay 30, 50, or 80 cents.

The costs of the bailout, moreover, are almost certainly being understated. The administration's claim is that many mortgage assets are merely illiquid, not truly worthless, implying taxpayers will recoup much of their $700 billion.

If these assets are worth something, however, private parties should want to buy them, and they would do so if the owners would accept fair market value. Far more likely is that current owners have brushed under the rug how little their assets are worth.

The bailout has more problems. The final legislation will probably include numerous side conditions and special dealings that reward Washington lobbyists and their clients.

Anticipation of the bailout will engender strategic behavior by Wall Street institutions as they shuffle their assets and position their balance sheets to maximize their take. The bailout will open the door to further federal meddling in financial markets.

So what should the government do? Eliminate those policies that generated the current mess. This means, at a general level, abandoning the goal of home ownership independent of ability to pay. This means, in particular, getting rid of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, along with policies like the Community Reinvestment Act that pressure banks into subprime lending.

The right view of the financial mess is that an enormous fraction of subprime lending should never have occurred in the first place. Someone has to pay for that. That someone should not be, and does not need to be, the U.S. taxpayer."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/29/miron.bailout/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

This man was right. Credit still tight as companies wait to see what they can get from government for their weak assets and lobbyists galore.
 
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