Greatest minds of the western philosophical tradition...

Penderyn said:
It is probably the influence of F.R. Leavis, but I find a bit of a gap between the only true conservative, Socrates, and Marx in this tradition, but I suppose it is difficult to be too critical of Mill, so he'll do to fill it, fair play.
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While Marx's economic predictions floundered, and his thoughts on how socialism was actually supposed to function were cursory at best, there is no question that scholars consider him to be one of the most influential and consequential moral philosophers and social scientists of the 19th century.

The transformation of the guilded age of robber barons into liberal social democracies is in no small part due to reactions to Marx's critique of the dark sides of capitalism and keen insights into the human condition.

It cannot be overlooked that totalitarian communists coopted Marx's name, although it is clear Marx never supported or advocated for a totalitarian state based on terror and oppression
 
Mott the Hoople said:
And in the great Polish tradition of self immolation they destroyed their own democratic tradition with the veto to protect the fuedal rights and liberty of the Polish aristocracy.
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Goslicki was way ahead of his time on Liberty, Checks & Balances, and Freedom of Religion.

As for Poland falling apart, I think it has less to do with the Liberum Veto, and more to do with Poland being surrounded by bigger & more violent predator nations like Germans & Russia, etc.
 
Cypress said:
While Marx's economic predictions floundered, and his thoughts on how socialism was actually supposed to function were cursory at best, there is no question that scholars consider him to be one of the most influential and consequential moral philosophers and social scientists of the 19th century.

The transformation of the guilded age of robber barons into liberal social democracies is in no small part due to reactions to Marx's critique of the dark sides of capitalism and keen insights into the human condition.

It cannot be overlooked that totalitarian communists coopted Marx's name, although it is clear Marx never supported or advocated for a totalitarian state based on terror and oppression
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Yes, but... Marx very, very carefully avoided utopian blueprints.
 
The philosophy of freedom

Jesus of Nazareth concerned himself with spiritual freedom. He believed that humans were enslaved to the petty material possessions and triviality of this world; he taught that spiritual truth would free one from ignorance, sin, and fear.

John Locke believed that freedom means to do as one wishes, within the boundaries of a social contract. This also means freedom to acquire possessions. Locke realized that acquisition of property would result in inequality within a free society.

Jean Jacques Rousseau believed that freedom cannot exist without equality. He believed freedom comes from the development of moral conscience. Rousseau maintained that property should be socialized and the rich should be made to contribute to the general welfare.
 
Great minds aren't as smart as the vocabulary that gives them character, what is the one thing missing from Plato to Albert Einstein? Time never changed anything never the same details twice so far.

Here is my point from personally navigating in a position of 1 of a kind that doesn't take sides when everyone is speculating what else is possible without understanding what isn't. Just saying I am tired of being governed by doubt and mob rule legisation of "We say so and anyone doesn't like it leave and humanity controls every sector mapped by longitude and latitude.".

I have come to realize instincts supply the lifetimes and intellect delivers the demands people want to feel larger than their time limited to simultaneosuly living so far in the moment present.

counting rotations of the planet is a diversion from real so the few direct outcomes of human society globally until extinction of the species. Nasty end game playing mind over matter ruled by symbolism over substance definitions of reality and character counts and honesty isn't tolerated socially in any recorded history of global societal evolution by one species pretending to lord over both space and timed apart so far.

peace is obtainable in real time, but realities get in the way.
 
Cypress said:
....according to me....
limiting myself to the western intellectual tradition (sorry Confucius and Avicenna).

At this time, I choose to pay personal homage to Voltaire - a person who directly impacted, and represents a clear and distinct dividing line between an era of intolerance, and an age of toleration.

-Antiquity-
Plato
Aristotle

-Middle Ages-
Thomas Aquinas

-Renaissance-
Erasmus

-Early Modern era-
Isacc Newton
Francis Bacon
Renee Descartes

-Enlightenment-
Voltaire
John Locke
Jean-Jacque Rosseau

-Romanticism-
Goethe
Immanual Kant

-Modern era-
John Stuart Mill
Nietzsche
Einstein
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I need to move Kant back to the Enlightenment Era, as he viewed reason as the primary path to knowlege. But he also pressaged Romanticism because he forsaw severe limitations to using reason, and understood the role of imagination and creativity in wisdom and human experience.

I am putting John Stuart Mill in the category of Romantic Philosophers, although he was really fusing Enlightenment thinking with the trends of 19th century Ronanticism.

I need to put Georg Frederic Hegel with the Romantic Philosophers, but I am not smart enough to understand what the eff his philosophy was. Something about the role of history, culture, and nationalism in the cultivation of human morality.
 
Cypress said:
....according to me....
limiting myself to the western intellectual tradition (sorry Confucius and Avicenna).

At this time, I choose to pay personal homage to Voltaire - a person who directly impacted, and represents a clear and distinct dividing line between an era of intolerance, and an age of toleration.
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Einstein, Yogi Berra, actor James Woods, Stephen Hawking, Donald J. Trump, Ivanka Trump, Melania Trump, Tiffany Trump, Barron Trump, and ME. Thank you.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That’s a good point on both Hobbes and Mills. I think that liberals have the stronger claim on Mills but many so called conservatives aren’t true conservatives. Not surprising as the US has never really had a true conservative tradition but modern conservatives have attempted to co-opt classical liberalism and some principles of Enlightenment philosophy as “modern conservativism (which they really are not) and re-define liberalism as modern socialism, to which there is some truth to that as modern conservatives have been quite successful at redefining liberalism as socialism. Which is not correct but has been very successfully used politically.
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Ian Hunter, of course! A BRILLIANT man.
 
This is the well know incident between William Buckley and Gore Vidal
that occurred during ABC's coverage of the
1968 Democratic convention in Chicago.
This version has slightly better sound quality and syncronization.

a know bout William Buckley vs Gore Vidal feud.

One superconservative vs Vidal the beta gay author

 
bhaktajan said:
This is the well know incident between William Buckley and Gore Vidal
that occurred during ABC's coverage of the
1968 Democratic convention in Chicago.
This version has slightly better sound quality and syncronization.

a know bout William Buckley vs Gore Vidal feud.

One superconservative vs Vidal the beta gay author

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Thanks for the post.
 
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