Have I missed it? Where is the talk of McCain destroying the "Real Conservative"?

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Hahahaha!

I'll only vote for people that publicly say:
No more income tax
No more war on drugs
No more EPA
NO OBAMACARE
No more federal Reserve to name a few.

I have people to vote for. And I wouldn't throw my support behind an alien political view for anything.

My one vote means more when I vote for Libertarians.

When I vote for Reps, or Dems, my vote becomes worthless. It's the same as giving my approval. I don't approve!

I pick up new voters all the time for the Libertarians. A little here, a little there. People that don't vote, but now do. The Republicans better take note and become more Libertarian minded in action, or they'll start losing in more and more races.

And don't give me this "my principles are pretty much in line with our founding principles" crap. The Republicans are nothing more than big (police state) gov't. Much different than any founding principles you claim to have.

Do us all a favor, and call your reps and demand that they reverse their past deeds.

Oh, and I'll vote for any republican that sounds and acts like a true small gov't politician. As of this moment they have a chance, but if history holds true, they're not going to really do a damn thing.

Okay, here's the deal... In 2008, all 4 third-party candidates combined, received less than 2% of the popular vote, and NO electoral votes. That's the Libertarian, Constitution, and Green Parties, with one more Independent. So the Libertarians have a LONG LONG way to go, in order to challenge ANYONE in EITHER major party. This isn't going to suddenly change in 2012, or 2016, or 2020... it's just NOT! The two main candidates will be (R) and (D) ...regardless of your personal sentiments. So, to cast your vote for a 3rd party candidate, is essentially taking a vote away from one of the two parties in contention.

The other thing is this... The Democrats don't really care what their candidate stands for or says. They are going to vote for the (D) over the (R), and it really doesn't matter what is said. They literally could have nominated Vladimir Putin, and had someone more aligned with capitalist conservative principles than what they elected. It didn't matter that he would say one thing in St. Paul, and the totally opposite a few days later in St. Louis, he had a (D) beside his name and he wasn't George Bush! It didn't matter that he didn't support Gay Marriage, those who support Gay Marriage still voted for the (D) over the (R), because they viewed it as a "step closer" to what their ideals are, than the alternative, which they viewed as a "step back." You see, as dumb as they are, they are still smarter than you! They understood that one of the two major parties would win the election, and they knew their only choice was between the (D) and the (R).

Now, Liberty, I want you to think about this for a while... What if we ALL voted as you do, based on our own individual ideals and bullet points? No two people are alike, not even husbands and wives. So we would end up with everyone essentially voting for themselves, millions of candidates, each with one vote apiece. We could never elect someone president! Even if we honed our list down to three or four bullet points, we would find it difficult to elect a president suitable to a 'majority' because everyone is different. So what has to happen, is we have to look at the electable candidates, and what they stand for. In our case, that is the (D) and the (R) and no one else. One of those two people are going to win the election and serve as our president for the next 4 years, regardless of our fantasies and wishes. Sure, we may elect someone who isn't completely in line with everything we personally believe in, but that is just the reality of politics. We can work toward raising awareness for the individual things we believe in, through political activism, writing and calling congressmen, attending rallies, etc. We can work to influence whichever party is closer to our ideals, and possibly effect a change.

Then there is the question of, how much of a Fascist are you? When you say that you are for or against [insert issue].... does that mean, you would want that to be law of the land against the will of the majority of Americans? Would you really want to impose your will on everyone else, even though they disagree? I would like for people to agree with me, to understand my position on the issues, and take my side, but if they don't, I want us to do what the majority thinks is best. If your family is in the car, trying to decide where to eat, do YOU make that choice for them? Regardless of how they feel about it? Regardless of whether the majority want to do something else? Of course you don't, unless you are just a selfish and self-centered person who doesn't really give a damn about what others want. If most of them want to eat pizza, and you don't have any allergies or gastrointestinal reasons not to eat pizza, it doesn't matter that you wanted a burger, you are outnumbered.... you can go with pizza! From what you are telling me, YOUR family is at the Pizza Hut, and you are around the corner at the burger joint....and you just don't care.

So it all boils down to your selfishness... you want things a certain way, and you don't care if most people disagree with you. Your voting Libertarian, is equivalent to laying in the floor pitching a temper tantrum.

 

[Liberty]

Okay, here's the deal... In 2008, all 4 third-party candidates combined, received less than 2% of the popular vote, and NO electoral votes. That's the Libertarian, Constitution, and Green Parties, with one more Independent. So the Libertarians have a LONG LONG way to go, in order to challenge ANYONE in EITHER major party. This isn't going to suddenly change in 2012, or 2016, or 2020... it's just NOT! The two main candidates will be (R) and (D) ...regardless of your personal sentiments. So, to cast your vote for a 3rd party candidate, is essentially taking a vote away from one of the two parties in contention.

The other thing is this... The Democrats don't really care what their candidate stands for or says. They are going to vote for the (D) over the (R), and it really doesn't matter what is said. They literally could have nominated Vladimir Putin, and had someone more aligned with capitalist conservative principles than what they elected. It didn't matter that he would say one thing in St. Paul, and the totally opposite a few days later in St. Louis, he had a (D) beside his name and he wasn't George Bush! It didn't matter that he didn't support Gay Marriage, those who support Gay Marriage still voted for the (D) over the (R), because they viewed it as a "step closer" to what their ideals are, than the alternative, which they viewed as a "step back." You see, as dumb as they are, they are still smarter than you! They understood that one of the two major parties would win the election, and they knew their only choice was between the (D) and the (R).

Now, Liberty, I want you to think about this for a while... What if we ALL voted as you do, based on our own individual ideals and bullet points? No two people are alike, not even husbands and wives. So we would end up with everyone essentially voting for themselves, millions of candidates, each with one vote apiece. We could never elect someone president! Even if we honed our list down to three or four bullet points, we would find it difficult to elect a president suitable to a 'majority' because everyone is different. So what has to happen, is we have to look at the electable candidates, and what they stand for. In our case, that is the (D) and the (R) and no one else. One of those two people are going to win the election and serve as our president for the next 4 years, regardless of our fantasies and wishes. Sure, we may elect someone who isn't completely in line with everything we personally believe in, but that is just the reality of politics. We can work toward raising awareness for the individual things we believe in, through political activism, writing and calling congressmen, attending rallies, etc. We can work to influence whichever party is closer to our ideals, and possibly effect a change.

Then there is the question of, how much of a Fascist are you? When you say that you are for or against [insert issue].... does that mean, you would want that to be law of the land against the will of the majority of Americans? Would you really want to impose your will on everyone else, even though they disagree? I would like for people to agree with me, to understand my position on the issues, and take my side, but if they don't, I want us to do what the majority thinks is best. If your family is in the car, trying to decide where to eat, do YOU make that choice for them? Regardless of how they feel about it? Regardless of whether the majority want to do something else? Of course you don't, unless you are just a selfish and self-centered person who doesn't really give a damn about what others want. If most of them want to eat pizza, and you don't have any allergies or gastrointestinal reasons not to eat pizza, it doesn't matter that you wanted a burger, you are outnumbered.... you can go with pizza! From what you are telling me, YOUR family is at the Pizza Hut, and you are around the corner at the burger joint....and you just don't care.

So it all boils down to your selfishness... you want things a certain way, and you don't care if most people disagree with you. Your voting Libertarian, is equivalent to laying in the floor pitching a temper tantrum.

Dear God man!

Unlike democrats, I only have one vote. How many elections do you know of that have been decided by one vote.

As for your food comments, I hardly ever get to go where I want to go. (Steakhouse) The wife is to frugal.

I understand what you're saying, but I'm not going to vote for people who are nothing more than whores. I call them all the time, but I won't vote for them until they show that they are starting to do the right things.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

At the McCain rally on Friday, Palin proclaimed that the Republican Party isn't the party of no -- "we're the party of hell no!"

She derided "this BS coming from the lame-stream media" about "us common-sense conservatives kinda inciting violence," but added, "We know violence isn't the answer. When we take up our arms, we're talking about our vote."

The Tea Party movement, Palin declared, is "a beautiful grassroots movement that is putting government back on the side of the people. ... Everybody here today supporting John McCain, we're all part of that tea party movement."

We must fight the evil that is the Tea Party movement.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Dear God man!

Unlike democrats, I only have one vote. How many elections do you know of that have been decided by one vote.

As for your food comments, I hardly ever get to go where I want to go. (Steakhouse) The wife is to frugal.

I understand what you're saying, but I'm not going to vote for people who are nothing more than whores. I call them all the time, but I won't vote for them until they show that they are starting to do the right things.

In the town I used to live in, we actually had a mayoral race decided by one vote! You never know. Admittedly, going by the results, if ALL 3rd party voters had voted for McCain, he would have still lost to Obama by a slim margin... BUT... what might have happened, if those people, along with all their resources and energy, had supported McCain? Is it possible that might have influenced some people to vote who didn't? Is it possible, that little extra push would have been enough for McCain to edge out Obama in the end? We'll never know. What we know did happen, was libertarian types such as yourself, were adamantly opposed to McCain, and refused to support him, and the Democrats voted in lockstep for Obama, regardless. I can just about guarantee you, the next GOP contender will not be aligned with libertarians, so are you going to do the same thing again? If so, expect another 4 years of Obama! At some point, you need to realize the difference between your principles and reality of the situation. If you want a steak and your wife would be happy with sharing a burger, but you insist on a steak, so she opts for a shit sandwich... you get to have your steak, but then you have to tolerate her shit breath all night... was it worth it? Would it not have been better to capitulate and share a burger instead?

 

[Liberty]

In the town I used to live in, we actually had a mayoral race decided by one vote! You never know. Admittedly, going by the results, if ALL 3rd party voters had voted for McCain, he would have still lost to Obama by a slim margin... BUT... what might have happened, if those people, along with all their resources and energy, had supported McCain? Is it possible that might have influenced some people to vote who didn't? Is it possible, that little extra push would have been enough for McCain to edge out Obama in the end? We'll never know. What we know did happen, was libertarian types such as yourself, were adamantly opposed to McCain, and refused to support him, and the Democrats voted in lockstep for Obama, regardless. I can just about guarantee you, the next GOP contender will not be aligned with libertarians, so are you going to do the same thing again? If so, expect another 4 years of Obama! At some point, you need to realize the difference between your principles and reality of the situation. If you want a steak and your wife would be happy with sharing a burger, but you insist on a steak, so she opts for a shit sandwich... you get to have your steak, but then you have to tolerate her shit breath all night... was it worth it? Would it not have been better to capitulate and share a burger instead?

Yes, I won't vote for what you view as the least of two evils.

And I'll keep attracting none voters as well.

I'd vote for the Pauls, but they're not on my ballot.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Yes, I won't vote for what you view as the least of two evils.

And I'll keep attracting none voters as well.

I'd vote for the Pauls, but they're not on my ballot.

Enjoy Communist Socialism, is all I can say!
Good luck trying to achieve libertarianism in that environment!

Yes, of course, the Wonder Paul's are ALL that can ever save us!

 

[Liberty]

Enjoy Communist Socialism, is all I can say!
Good luck trying to achieve libertarianism in that environment!

Yes, of course, the Wonder Paul's are ALL that can ever save us!

Dude, the true reality is that you and the republican party represent nothing that's different than the socialist members here.

The only difference in my life that I have seen from the republicans has been in the last 2 yrs.