Hitler would be so proud

bravo said:
Have you never heard of 'Hilters Children'.......seen the documentary...read history ?
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In my previous post, I admitted that I made a mistake here. Move on.

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Shy Guy said:
Fair point. But look at the OP.

This is someone that thinks the president is a communist. This is someone who had an avatar of Obama with a Hitler mustache. This is someone who's username is "Obama Hates America". We both know his intention here.
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Yes he is a communist. How do any of his beliefs differ from the goals of the US Communist Party. Same talking points.

Yes, I believe he hates America. I am sorry that makes you uncomfortable. Maybe you can get Obama to change to 1st Amendment to keep your delicate senses from being offended. An executive order maybe?
 
Obama Hates America said:
Yes he is a communist. How do any of his beliefs differ from the goals of the US Communist Party. Same talking points.

Yes, I believe he hates America. I am sorry that makes you uncomfortable. Maybe you can get Obama to change to 1st Amendment to keep your delicate senses from being offended. An executive order maybe?
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I don't know much about the US Communist party, but I'm sure their standing isn't a good one. The Socialist Party at least has some sort of historical relevance.

As for Obama? Allow me to give you a brief lesson on communism, as you seem to know only what your shag buddies at the Heritage Foundation tell you.

Communism basically means moneyless economics. Members of a community contributing a good or service in exchange other goods or services - in essence, it's a group of people who sustain themselves by providing for one another.

There are various schools of communism and ways they can be implemented. It can be implemented by a state(forcibly, or democratically), by an independent group(often religious), or by a country whose government has recently collapsed.

In the 1800s, an Italian by the name of Carlo Cafiero and his associates declared that communism could never effectively exist unless accompanied by the complete abolition of state. They were persecuted by various governments until their deaths.

Karl Marx was famous for his school of communism known as Marxism, which forever influenced the course of political ideology. It's important to note that Marx never advocated for hyper-nationalism like many who borrowed the name of his ideology.

Two states that are often associated with communism are Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. Nazi Germany was officially known as national socialist(or fascist, right wing authoritarian) which is perhaps even more far removed from communism than capitalist governments like the states. National Socialism pushes for the government ownership of the means of production, imperialism, and racist policies varying person to person. Marx, however, never pushed large government, instead believing in common ownership(of the means of production) and neither of the latter two policies.

Unlike Germany, the Soviet Union was intended to follow Marxist principals. But when Czarism was demolished and the Union was put in place, it shifted further and further from Marxism - the excuse used was that Russia was far too underdeveloped to put socialism in place. The People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs, Leon Trotsky - a man instrumental in the establishment of the Union - announced before his assassination his bitter condemnation of the Union. The Soviets were never communist, nor socialist but the term was attached to them by the two leading propaganda organizations of the world: The US and Russia. While Russia did so because communism was popular in Europe at the time, the US did so to attach a brutal, statist government to the term communist.​
 
Shy Guy said:
I don't know much about the US Communist party, but I'm sure their standing isn't a good one. The Socialist Party at least has some sort of historical relevance.

As for Obama? Allow me to give you a brief lesson on communism, as you seem to know only what your shag buddies at the Heritage Foundation tell you.
Communism basically means moneyless economics. Members of a community contributing a good or service in exchange other goods or services - in essence, it's a group of people who sustain themselves by providing for one another.

There are various schools of communism and ways they can be implemented. It can be implemented by a state(forcibly, or democratically), by an independent group(often religious), or by a country whose government has recently collapsed.

In the 1800s, an Italian by the name of Carlo Cafiero and his associates declared that communism could never effectively exist unless accompanied by the complete abolition of state. They were persecuted by various governments until their deaths.

Karl Marx was famous for his school of communism known as Marxism, which forever influenced the course of political ideology. It's important to note that Marx never advocated for hyper-nationalism like many who borrowed the name of his ideology.

Two states that are often associated with communism are Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. Nazi Germany was officially known as national socialist(or fascist, right wing authoritarian) which is perhaps even more far removed from communism than capitalist governments like the states. National Socialism pushes for the government ownership of the means of production, imperialism, and racist policies varying person to person. Marx, however, never pushed large government, instead believing in common ownership(of the means of production) and neither of the latter two policies.

Unlike Germany, the Soviet Union was intended to follow Marxist principals. But when Czarism was demolished and the Union was put in place, it shifted further and further from Marxism - the excuse used was that Russia was far too underdeveloped to put socialism in place. The People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs, Leon Trotsky - a man instrumental in the establishment of the Union - announced before his assassination his bitter condemnation of the Union. The Soviets were never communist, nor socialist but the term was attached to them by the two leading propaganda organizations of the world: The US and Russia. While Russia did so because communism was popular in Europe at the time, the US did so to attach a brutal, statist government to the term communist.

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We're not talking the communism and socialism or even fascism as it was defined in the early 20th century.....we are concerned about a different type of communism, socialism and fascism
that is evolving in this country, at this point in time....the US Communist Party advises their followers to vote for Democrats for the last 30 or more years.....they know they
will never win elections as Communists but can achieve the same goals voting for todays Democrats....and that is a fact, not an opinion....
So the forms of communism and socialism and fascism of the early 1900's in irrelevant to today.
 
bravo said:
We're not talking the communism and socialism or even fascism as it was defined in the early 20th century.....we are concerned about a different type of communism, socialism and fascism
that is evolving in this country, at this point in time....the US Communist Party advises their followers to vote for Democrats for the last 30 or more years.....they know they
will never win elections as Communists but can achieve the same goals voting for todays Democrats....and that is a fact, not an opinion....
So the forms of communism and socialism and fascism of the early 1900's in irrelevant to today.
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Well, right off the bat, those three terms are vastly different. Socialism is worker control of the means of production. Communism is a form of moneyless economics. Fascism is far right statism. There are hybrid governments, but these definitions haven't changed.

I don't know if the bit about the CP telling people to vote for the Democrats is true, but it makes sense. The communists are about as anti-corporate America as you get, so it's understandable that they'd like to prevent the Republicans from winning elections. In any case, this doesn't mean the Democrats have aligned their views with those of the CP.
 
bravo said:
We're not talking the communism and socialism or even fascism as it was defined in the early 20th century.....we are concerned about a different type of communism, socialism and fascism
that is evolving in this country, at this point in time....the US Communist Party advises their followers to vote for Democrats for the last 30 or more years.....they know they
will never win elections as Communists but can achieve the same goals voting for todays Democrats....and that is a fact, not an opinion....
So the forms of communism and socialism and fascism of the early 1900's in irrelevant to today.
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:facepalm: You don't get to redefine words Bravatard, you fucking IDIOT.
 
Shy Guy said:
Well, right off the bat, those three terms are vastly different. Socialism is worker control of the means of production. Communism is a form of moneyless economics. Fascism is far right statism. There are hybrid governments, but these definitions haven't changed.

I don't know if the bit about the CP telling people to vote for the Democrats is true, but it makes sense. The communists are about as anti-corporate America as you get, so it's understandable that they'd like to prevent the Republicans from winning elections. In any case, this doesn't mean the Democrats have aligned their views with those of the CP.
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The current dem party has a lot in common with the nazis.
But also with the Stalinists!
 
Bravo, between the two of us, only I understand the history and significance behind those three terms. Your links and failure to address the points made in my posts only serve to solidify that.
 
Shy Guy said:
I don't know much about the US Communist party, but I'm sure their standing isn't a good one. The Socialist Party at least has some sort of historical relevance.

As for Obama? Allow me to give you a brief lesson on communism, as you seem to know only what your shag buddies at the Heritage Foundation tell you.

Communism basically means moneyless economics. Members of a community contributing a good or service in exchange other goods or services - in essence, it's a group of people who sustain themselves by providing for one another.

There are various schools of communism and ways they can be implemented. It can be implemented by a state(forcibly, or democratically), by an independent group(often religious), or by a country whose government has recently collapsed.

In the 1800s, an Italian by the name of Carlo Cafiero and his associates declared that communism could never effectively exist unless accompanied by the complete abolition of state. They were persecuted by various governments until their deaths.

Karl Marx was famous for his school of communism known as Marxism, which forever influenced the course of political ideology. It's important to note that Marx never advocated for hyper-nationalism like many who borrowed the name of his ideology.

Two states that are often associated with communism are Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. Nazi Germany was officially known as national socialist(or fascist, right wing authoritarian) which is perhaps even more far removed from communism than capitalist governments like the states. National Socialism pushes for the government ownership of the means of production, imperialism, and racist policies varying person to person. Marx, however, never pushed large government, instead believing in common ownership(of the means of production) and neither of the latter two policies.

Unlike Germany, the Soviet Union was intended to follow Marxist principals. But when Czarism was demolished and the Union was put in place, it shifted further and further from Marxism - the excuse used was that Russia was far too underdeveloped to put socialism in place. The People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs, Leon Trotsky - a man instrumental in the establishment of the Union - announced before his assassination his bitter condemnation of the Union. The Soviets were never communist, nor socialist but the term was attached to them by the two leading propaganda organizations of the world: The US and Russia. While Russia did so because communism was popular in Europe at the time, the US did so to attach a brutal, statist government to the term communist.​
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Thanks for the synopsis if what you think the basis if these ideologies are.

In the end it is irrelevant to how they all worked in real life.

All were done under the guise of helping the less fortunate. All were going to right the wrongs of some perceived enemy whether it be corporations, the rich or te Jews. All ran counter to basic human nature. All led to the untold suffering and murder of millions.

So you can sit in your pious perch and mentally masturbate over every little nitpicky thing, in reality there isn't a cunt hairs not of difference between them. And I don't see a cunt hairs bit of difference between those infamous leaders and Obama

All were considered great orators of their time. All fancied themselves champions of the little guy. All surrounded themselves with children as props.

You would have made a good compliant goosestepper
 
Obama Hates America said:
Thanks for the synopsis if what you think the basis if these ideologies are.

In the end it is irrelevant to how they all worked in real life.

All were done under the guise of helping the less fortunate. All were going to right the wrongs of some perceived enemy whether it be corporations, the rich or te Jews. All ran counter to basic human nature. All led to the untold suffering and murder of millions.

So you can sit in your pious perch and mentally masturbate over every little nitpicky thing, in reality there isn't a cunt hairs not of difference between them. And I don't see a cunt hairs bit of difference between those infamous leaders and Obama

All were considered great orators of their time. All fancied themselves champions of the little guy. All surrounded themselves with children as props.

You would have made a good compliant goosestepper
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OHA, like it or not, you can't change history. The fact is that among the three regimes you're touting as socialist, none of them actually were/are.

I suppose the term McCarthyite would be fitting here.
 
Rune said:
Hmm, Bravs, nothing in any of those links redefined fascism to fit your definition :palm:
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Why would you think my links were meant to do that ?....Reading whats not there again as usual ?....
The links do absolutely prove that today US communists support todays Democrats and proves they they support the same goals.....
You can call yourselves Democrats, US Communists see you as an ally....

We're working on our very own style of fascism in the US, it doesn't have to align with Mussolinis version of the 1930's....just as US nationalism doesn't align with
German's Nationalism of that era, or as Cuban Communism isn't the same as Chinese Communism......
I understand your narrow mind can't grasp anything other than simple ideas....so you're in the right Party.
 
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