Hm , did the feds stop the state from curbing the subprime problem?

evince

Truthmatters
http://www.slate.com/id/2182709/

There seems to be those who think so.



Subprime Party
How the feds stopped the states from averting the lending mess.
By Nicholas Bagley
Posted Thursday, Jan. 24, 2008, at 11:19 PM ET

The subprime mortgage crisis has led to foreclosures
As the federal government scurries to prevent the subprime mortgage crisis from sending the economy into a deep recession, many of us are asking why it waited so long to intervene. As it turns out, the government wasn't exactly sitting on its hands. Instead, for reasons that now appear hopelessly shortsighted, an obscure federal agency torpedoed legislation from a handful of states that would have made institutional investors far charier of buying mortgage loans that were likely to go belly-up. If the legislation had been permitted to go into effect, the crisis we now face would probably look a lot less grim. The right question, then, is not why the feds did so little. It's why they did so much.

Historically, few lenders would make subprime loans—that is, mortgage loans to borrowers with poor credit. The risk of default was simply too great. For a variety of reasons during the 1990s, however, major institutional players became more willing to purchase subprime loans as investments. Those loans would be pooled with similar subprime loans, and slices of that pool would be bought and sold as mortgage-backed securities. With the rise of this new secondary market, a lender could issue a subprime loan and immediately sell its interest in that loan for a lump sum. The ready flow of capital from the secondary mortgage market led, predictably, to an explosion in subprime lending. Unscrupulous lenders could reap the greatest profits by issuing subprime loans packed with unfavorable terms and subject to exorbitant interest rates, and only then selling them for cold, hard cash. A rash of borrowers found themselves saddled with predatory loans they had no hope of paying off.
 
While the banks' legal arguments were thin, the OCC issued regulations in early 2004 nullifying the state laws as they applied to national banks. In part, the OCC reasoned that the states just got it wrong: As the then-comptroller explained in a speech to the Federalist Society, "We know that it's possible to deal effectively with predatory lending without putting impediments in the way of those who provide access to legitimate subprime credit." With the state laws nullified, national banks were free to engage in the sharp practices the states were hoping to stamp out. (Indeed, Georgia scuttled its law because it didn't want to give national banks a competitive advantage over its state institutions.) Facing intense pressure from subprime lenders and Wall Street, and left without a real chance of holding investors responsible for purchasing ill-advised loans, state legislatures gave up.
 
"For a variety of reasons during the 1990s, however, major institutional players became more willing to purchase subprime loans as investments. "

I am glad to see you are finally coming to the realization that this began long before Bush took office. Good job.
 
Desh,

Did you happen to read the link with regards to predatory lending and the laws in place to try to prevent it? The whole assumption that the bulk of the problem is predatory lending is ridiculous. Yes, there are cases out there and those responsible should be prosecuted, but the majority was a case of looser credit standards that allowed people to borrow more than they could afford. That is not predatory. That is greed and stupidity and the fault of both borrower and lender.
 
http://www.occ.gov/toolkit/newsrelease.aspx?Doc=I51QIBS3.xml


This guy seemed to become concerned about it back a couple of years ago when it became a problem Yet he later stopped the states from dealing with it .....why?

Most likely because there was pressure from both parties to encourage "more home ownership".

The states laws (like the Georgia example) prevented most sub prime lending. The fact that the law was restricting legitimate sub prime lending as well as predatory was the problem.... and the idiots in DC did not want that to occur.
 
Those loans would be pooled with similar subprime loans, and slices of that pool would be bought and sold as mortgage-backed securities. With the rise of this new secondary market, a lender could issue a subprime loan and immediately sell its interest in that loan for a lump sum. The ready flow of capital from the secondary mortgage market led, predictably, to an explosion in subprime lending.

They did not become a problem until the new packaging was used to make them a profit generator. THIS is the time someone needed to step in.
 
Most likely because there was pressure from both parties to encourage "more home ownership".

The states laws (like the Georgia example) prevented most sub prime lending. The fact that the law was restricting legitimate sub prime lending as well as predatory was the problem.... and the idiots in DC did not want that to occur.


Nope it was when all of us here started talking about sub primes and how they would come back and bite us in the ass. Its when the States tried to deal with it and got snuffed. It was an administration which did not want the only thing keeping the economy afloat to stop.

The down side was ignored on purpose.
 
Those loans would be pooled with similar subprime loans, and slices of that pool would be bought and sold as mortgage-backed securities. With the rise of this new secondary market, a lender could issue a subprime loan and immediately sell its interest in that loan for a lump sum. The ready flow of capital from the secondary mortgage market led, predictably, to an explosion in subprime lending.

They did not become a problem until the new packaging was used to make them a profit generator. THIS is the time someone needed to step in.

The packaging of the subprime loans began in the 1990s desh. The looser credit process (enabled by the dismantling of Glass Steagall) caused the spike in subprime lending in the 1990's. Yes, it continued to expand at an even faster rate in 2002-2005 due to the low interest rate environment.

But that does not make subprime lending predatory. It was the greed of the borrower and lender that caused the problem. When interest rates are at 40 year lows, the borrower and lender should BOTH know that when rates turn around and increase, the mortgage payment goes up. Only an idiot wouldn't know that.

Again, this does not mean that there weren't any predatory loans being made. But the bulk of the problem right now is those low rates being reset to higher rates. Not due to baloon payments (which are illegal on short term loans) or prepayment fees (which are illegal on short term loans). They are simply due to greed. The changes in the law allowed this to happen. But had the borrower and lender not succombed to greed, this would not have occurred.
 
Those loans would be pooled with similar subprime loans, and slices of that pool would be bought and sold as mortgage-backed securities. With the rise of this new secondary market, a lender could issue a subprime loan and immediately sell its interest in that loan for a lump sum. The ready flow of capital from the secondary mortgage market led, predictably, to an explosion in subprime lending.

They did not become a problem until the new packaging was used to make them a profit generator. THIS is the time someone needed to step in.
Right, because nothing could be a step on the path toward something. You are either there or not. It isn't like people who don't understand banking messing around in how they create loans might be bad or something.... It's only packaging that can be bad because we need to blame the whole problem on one person. Let's find that tiny part that happened during their time in office... Let's even ignore that the story you posted yourself noted that the packaging began before he was in office... Let's ignore the huge support from both parties... Let's ignore that the map was drawn and the first steps taken down this road long before...
 
Right, because nothing could be a step on the path toward something. You are either there or not. It isn't like people who don't understand banking messing around in how they create loans might be bad or something.... It's only packaging that can be bad because we need to blame the whole problem on one person. Let's find that tiny part that happened during their time in office... Let's even ignore that the story you posted yourself noted that the packaging began before he was in office... Let's ignore the huge support from both parties... Let's ignore that the map was drawn and the first steps taken down this road long before...

Damo why don’t you eat some M & M’s?

That helps a little bit. It’s true that it might put a few pounds on you, but you looked pretty good in those jeans, it’s not going to kill you.
 
Damo why don’t you eat some M & M’s?

That helps a little bit. It’s true that it might put a few pounds on you, but you looked pretty good in those jeans, it’s not going to kill you.
Not currently niccing... Chantix is amazing.
 
Right, because nothing could be a step on the path toward something. You are either there or not. It isn't like people who don't understand banking messing around in how they create loans might be bad or something.... It's only packaging that can be bad because we need to blame the whole problem on one person. Let's find that tiny part that happened during their time in office... Let's even ignore that the story you posted yourself noted that the packaging began before he was in office... Let's ignore the huge support from both parties... Let's ignore that the map was drawn and the first steps taken down this road long before...


Damo it did not become a problem untill they found an underhanded way to create profit on them by pawning them off on unsupecting buyers of these packages. This is when someone needed to step in.

Why do you guys refuse to realize that?

What I am trying to point out is that this current R party sees the voter as a mechanism to profits and not as someone they are there to serve.

The republican party was not always like this now was it?
 
Damo it did not become a problem untill they found an underhanded way to create profit on them by pawning them off on unsupecting buyers of these packages. This is when someone needed to step in.

Right. Which the story you posted earlier showed happened in the 90s.

Why do you guys refuse to realize that?

Why do you not realize that the path to destruction has a beginning as well as an end?

What I am trying to point out is that this current R party sees the voter as a mechanism to profits and not as someone they are there to serve.

The republican party was not always like this now was it?
Nor was the D Party, was it?
 
Damo it did not become a problem untill they found an underhanded way to create profit on them by pawning them off on unsupecting buyers of these packages. This is when someone needed to step in.

Why do you guys refuse to realize that?

What I am trying to point out is that this current R party sees the voter as a mechanism to profits and not as someone they are there to serve.

The republican party was not always like this now was it?

AGAIN, desh..... these loans were packaged in the exact same manner in the 1990s. They did not just magically appear in recent years. They just appeared in greater numbers due to the interest rate environment.

Unsuspecting buyers? What a load of crap. Investors knew exactly what was backing the CDOs and SIVs. They knew it was subprime debt. Just as those that buy obligations backed by credit card debt know that it is credit card debt backing the interest payments. THAT part is very clear. But they liked the higher interest rates and they thought that by pooling them all together that would make them safer. To an extent they were correct. Holding 1000 subprime loans, you might get a default rate of 10%, whereas holding an individual subprime loan it could only be 100% or 0%.
 
You know what is really funny? You guys are gonna love this. It seems that AFTER the banks did all these sub-prime loans to people well then ..ha ha ha... they sold those loans to foreign banks and it looks like the next round of foreclosures are going to really affect the foreign banks....he he he ... So then it will start to hurt the world economy even more and ... ROFLMAO ... it could cause big problems all over the world. God isn't that funny? Guys? Guys? Why arent you laffing?
 
I am laughing.............

You know what is really funny? You guys are gonna love this. It seems that AFTER the banks did all these sub-prime loans to people well then ..ha ha ha... they sold those loans to foreign banks and it looks like the next round of foreclosures are going to really affect the foreign banks....he he he ... So then it will start to hurt the world economy even more and ... ROFLMAO ... it could cause big problems all over the world. God isn't that funny? Guys? Guys? Why arent you laffing?


Best thing to happen since green beans! Now the foreign banks will have to take the hit when housing falls to the actual realistic value...then US Citizens can buy their dream house for the price that it is actually worth and they can afford...providing we get an administration in office that will bring back our manufacturing jobs!
 
http://coanews.org/video/us-recession-the-result-of-decline-in-middleclass-wages

This guys says Im not getting the whole answer.

Maybe hes right.


Leo Panitch: Weakening of unions and global pressures on US wages a major factor

Leo Panitch is the Canada Research Chair in Comparative Political Economy and a Distinguished Research Professor of Political Science at York University in Toronto. Panitch is also the author of Global Capitalism and American Empire.

He says the worker has been stripped of any power to increase their wages and has depended , more hours, the entire family working and on credit to maintain their lifestyle for the last thirty years. While the corporations have been given a free ride.
 
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