If HCR fails from bipartisan opposition...

Damocles

Damocles

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What do you think would happen to its future if it fails and then the economy picks up right after?

With Huffpo now adamantly against it as the public option died and the Medicare buy in is gone it appears as if the demise of the HCR bill may be forthcoming.

At the same time preliminary reports indicate that we may start seeing minimal GDP growth rather than loss, which would indicate a recovery in its infancy. Normally after such a deep recession you would expect massive growth which indicates that this may be a "jobless" recovery where the GDP grows slightly, but not enough to put people back to work and we maintain as we are therefore... But that is beside the point, I am digressing.

What if the economy gets jumpstarted right after the HCR demise, do you think people would associate the two and create a stronger opposition later to the same reform?
 
they will pass something be sure of that, thank god liebermans wife was on the take and help kill it.
 
If the economy picks up before 2010 the Democrats would be in a stronger position, and might gain seats. Which would strengthen the chance of HCR.

The only thing that would kill HCR is if it's thrown out the window right now and the economy continues going down the tube. Without a second stimulus or a jobs bill this recession is probably going to be double dip, because the first stimulus was not large enough to insure that we rise steadily out of recession.

Hell, even a huge tax cut might do it. Cutting all of the tax brackets in half for this year would cost a little less than 500 billion, and it might be the right size to cover the gap.
 
Watermark said:
Hell, even a huge tax cut might do it. Cutting all of the tax brackets in half for this year would cost a little less than 500 billion, and it might be the right size to cover the gap.
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NOW they figure it out......just wait, next they will be claiming it was THEIR idea.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
NOW they figure it out......just wait, next they will be claiming it was THEIR idea.....
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Well tax cuts aren't as effective dollar per dollar as normal stimulus. But it would be more popular. And with the amount of spending we're talking about, we could throw in some pretty amazing tax cuts.

What is saved rather than spent will eventually be spent anyway, and we can fix the debt once the economies back on track. And, BTW, about half the stimulus was actually tax cuts.
 
Howard Dean begged dems to vote against the bill last night after the boomer expansion was dropped.
Not sure anyone besides me and 5 MSNBC viewers saw it though.
 
Watermark said:
A giveaway to insurance companies?
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Pretty much. It looks like the Ds have actually come the closest to passing a bill that they would dearly like to pre-blame on the Rs. Without the socialist aspects it becomes something stupid. It will be "historic"...
 
Damocles said:
A requirement to buy insurance and a subsidy from the government for those who make up to 400% of the poverty line. That's if the public option isn't replaced with something.
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I think miles stones are also include which if not reached would require a public option be implemented.
 
Damocles said:
What do you think would happen to its future if it fails and then the economy picks up right after?

With Huffpo now adamantly against it as the public option died and the Medicare buy in is gone it appears as if the demise of the HCR bill may be forthcoming.

At the same time preliminary reports indicate that we may start seeing minimal GDP growth rather than loss, which would indicate a recovery in its infancy. Normally after such a deep recession you would expect massive growth which indicates that this may be a "jobless" recovery where the GDP grows slightly, but not enough to put people back to work and we maintain as we are therefore... But that is beside the point, I am digressing.

What if the economy gets jumpstarted right after the HCR demise, do you think people would associate the two and create a stronger opposition later to the same reform?
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I think the fact that the far left is as opposed to the legislation as the far right is, indicates that it is probably some good legislation.
 
Damocles said:
I think that is unlikely as it does nothing to curb rising costs.
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Time will tell but this is the set up for that. You think that this process has been ugly? Wait till they try to do cost control and pricing limits are placed on medical procedures, treatment and wages. In addition, if certain benchmarks are not met in a certain time frame then the public option will be back in play which would also have a significant impact on cost.
 
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