If the govt. legalized murder, would you then belive it was morally acceptable?

[Jarod]

Is your moral code based on the penal code?

Do you make your moral decisions based on what the government says is legal and illegal?

Are there things that are illegal that you dont belive are morally wrong? Are there things you belive are morally wrong, yet they are perfectly legal?

 

[Damocles]

Is your moral code based on the penal code?

Do you make your moral decisions based on what the government says is legal and illegal?

Are there things that are illegal that you dont belive are morally wrong? Are there things you belive are morally wrong, yet they are perfectly legal?

You confuse "morally" with "socially".

If the government decriminalized murder it would show that society was more willing to accept the activity under certain regulations. Probably because you want to believe that somebody is suggesting the government is the arbiter of morality as you kept repeating in that other thread.

 

[Jarod]

You confuse "morally" with "socially".

If the government decriminalized murder it would show that society was more willing to accept the activity under certain regulations. Probably because you want to believe that somebody is suggesting the government is the arbiter of morality as you kept repeating in that other thread.

So if the government legalized murder, you would consider it more socally acceptable? I would not!

-Slurping you soup is LEGAL, yet not socially acceptable.
-Operating pornographic web cites is legal, yet not socially acceptable.
-Underage drinking is illegal, yet in Highschool it is socially acceptable.
-DUI is illegal, but go to a social club at closing time to see if it is socially acceptable.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Well, given that the government did legalize a form of murder... abortion... then people started calling pro-abortionists... pro choice and it became more socially acceptable to butcher babies. So yes... we could just call murder of adults... pro-choice and hell, people would probably find it more acceptable.

 

[Jarod]

Well, given that the government did legalize a form of murder... abortion... then people started calling pro-abortionists... pro choice and it became more socially acceptable to butcher babies. So yes... we could just call murder of adults... pro-choice and hell, people would probably find it more acceptable.

You refuse to admit you understand the distinction between being pro-abortion and being pro-legalization of abortion. I know people who work against abortion every day, the chair of a local anti-abortion orginization used to be a girlfriend of mine. She was very much pro-choice, but worked every day to limit abortions via education and funding for pregant mothers who CHOOSE to remain pregnant.

She is certantly not PRO-ABORTION, but she is PRO-CHOICE. In fact she and I agree abortion in MOST circumstances is not a moral choice, but it is a legal one!

 

[Cancel7]

You refuse to admit you understand the distinction between being pro-abortion and being pro-legalization of abortion. I know people who work against abortion every day, the chair of a local anti-abortion orginization used to be a girlfriend of mine. She was very much pro-choice, but worked every day to limit abortions via education and funding for pregant mothers who CHOOSE to remain pregnant.

She is certantly not PRO-ABORTION, but she is PRO-CHOICE. In fact she and I agree abortion in MOST circumstances is not a moral choice, but it is a legal one!

Or, you could just call it "war".

 

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You refuse to admit you understand the distinction between being pro-abortion and being pro-legalization of abortion. I know people who work against abortion every day, the chair of a local anti-abortion orginization used to be a girlfriend of mine. She was very much pro-choice, but worked every day to limit abortions via education and funding for pregant mothers who CHOOSE to remain pregnant.

She is certantly not PRO-ABORTION, but she is PRO-CHOICE. In fact she and I agree abortion in MOST circumstances is not a moral choice, but it is a legal one!

What a crock of shit. You are either FOR abortion being legal or you are AGAINST it being legal. The whole pro-choice bullshit is nothing more than a feeble attempt to sooth the minds of those who think it is ok for "others" to kill children.

Your argument could easily be rephrased, "well I am personally against killing, but I think it should be legal so you should be able to choose to kill if you want.... but but I am really against murder."

 

[uscitizen]

Jarod, I think you have this backwards our penal code is based on our moral code.

 

[Jarod]

What a crock of shit. You are either FOR abortion being legal or you are AGAINST it being legal. The whole pro-choice bullshit is nothing more than a feeble attempt to sooth the minds of those who think it is ok for "others" to kill children.

Your argument could easily be rephrased, "well I am personally against killing, but I think it should be legal so you should be able to choose to kill if you want.... but but I am really against murder."

I am mostly against abortion. I am for keeping it legal.

I am mostly against drinking in excess. I am for keeping alcohol legal.

I am mostly against recreational drug use. I am for legalization of many drugs.

I am mostly against using prostitutes, I am for it being legal and regulated.

 

[Damocles]

So if the government legalized murder, you would consider it more socally acceptable? I would not!

-Slurping you soup is LEGAL, yet not socially acceptable.
-Operating pornographic web cites is legal, yet not socially acceptable.
-Underage drinking is illegal, yet in Highschool it is socially acceptable.
-DUI is illegal, but go to a social club at closing time to see if it is socially acceptable.

It wouldn't matter what I personally considered it, it would be a clear sign that it is more socially acceptable if such an activity was undertaken by the government.

 

[uscitizen]

I am mostly against abortion. I am for keeping it legal.

I am mostly against drinking in excess. I am for keeping alcohol legal.

I am mostly against recreational drug use. I am for legalization of many drugs.

I am mostly against using prostitutes, I am for it being legal and regulated.

Yeah I am pretty much the same with one exception. Abortion should be encouraged for Republicans.

 

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I am mostly against abortion. I am for keeping it legal.

I am mostly against drinking in excess. I am for keeping alcohol legal.

I am mostly against recreational drug use. I am for legalization of many drugs.

I am mostly against using prostitutes, I am for it being legal and regulated.

All but the first above effect only the one doing the action. Abortion takes another persons life. Now, as I stated, substitute the word murder for abortion... how comfortable are you keeping it legal then?

 

[Cancel7]

Awww. I love getting my morning dose of hypocrisy from war-supporters who are murdering hundreds of thousands of living, breathing, smiling, laughing, children, ranting and raving about fetuses.

I think they do it to act as if they have morals. They think it deflects attention from all of the children they are burning to death in the streets of other countries.

 

[uscitizen]

All but the first above effect only the one doing the action. Abortion takes another persons life. Now, as I stated, substitute the word murder for abortion... how comfortable are you keeping it legal then?

Sure we murder tens of thousands in Iraq for economic security ie oil. Why not murder/abort one if we cannot afford to raise them ?

It is just a difference of personal vs group.

Of course it is easier to hide in the group and murder vs doing the deed yourself.

 

[Jarod]

All but the first above effect only the one doing the action. Abortion takes another persons life. Now, as I stated, substitute the word murder for abortion... how comfortable are you keeping it legal then?

The difference is that I dont see abortion as outright murder. In many circumstances it could be called self defense.

You are smarter than to pretend you cant see that some people see it differently than you do.

You are smarter than to pretend that spending time on making it illegal is more effective at preventing it than spending time trying to prevent it.

 

[Jarod]

Why is murder okay just because it is in a war setting?

Murder is still murder!!!

 

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The difference is that I dont see abortion as outright murder. In many circumstances it could be called self defense.

You are smarter than to pretend you cant see that some people see it differently than you do.

You are smarter than to pretend that spending time on making it illegal is more effective at preventing it than spending time trying to prevent it.

If a mothers life was in danger... that is the only point where you could associate abortion with self defense.

You are smart enough to understand that an abortion ends a life.

I understand there are those that do not think an unborn child should be entitled to basic human rights. While I disagree with that position, I can accept that others have that view. But those that think that way are pro-abortion being legal.

What I do not find acceptable is those that pretend it is not ending a unique human life.

 

[Damocles]

Why is murder okay just because it is in a war setting?

Murder is still murder!!!

Murder is not okay in a war setting.

Many people are convicted of murder for their actions during a war.

 

[uscitizen]

If a mothers life was in danger... that is the only point where you could associate abortion with self defense.

You are smart enough to understand that an abortion ends a life.

I understand there are those that do not think an unborn child should be entitled to basic human rights. While I disagree with that position, I can accept that others have that view. But those that think that way are pro-abortion being legal.

What I do not find acceptable is those that pretend it is not ending a unique human life.

How very liberal of you. Should we pass laws restricting what the pregnant mother eats during pregnancy ? a felony for drinking or smoking ? where does it end once it begins ?
Should SS survivor dependent benefits begin at conception ?

 

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Why is murder okay just because it is in a war setting?

Murder is still murder!!!

Murder is not ok in a war setting. Which is why when people are found to have murdered someone, they are put on trial. But let me guess, you are going to pretend these trials have not taken place?

Since I have a pretty good idea where you are going... murder involves INTENT to kill. In war, yes, innocent people are killed. Innocent people die in car accidents as well. Murder is about intent.