I'm complimenting The Obama on this one.

The US has no business interfering in Libya. Obama has violated the War Powers Act, and God knows what will happen as a result of his getting us into another war on Muslim soil.
 
I like the exchange I heard last night, I can't recall who the two conservatives were, but one said he thought Obama's actions in Libya were commendable, but he was about 3 weeks too late... the other replied; three weeks? How about 26 years? This guy has been a problem since the days of Reagan! Now, I realize, liberals like to prop up totalitarian dictators for decades, until they become old and gray and everyone has forgotten their atrocities, then the liberals can parade them around as "great leaders" who have stood the test of time! Like Castro! We tacitly "admire" them for their longevity... and look, their countries didn't turn to complete and total shitpiles, Cubans still make the best cigars!
 
In 2008, Obama was mulling scrapping the War Powers Act, according to this article:

"During the campaign, Mr. Obama decried what he deemed overreach by the outgoing administration, but such issues can look different to a new president once he enters the Oval Office and finds himself seeking as much latitude as possible to advance his agenda."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/12/us/politics/11web-baker.html?_r=1
 
usaloyal2theend said:
And so very predictable of you. If I didn't know any better, I would say you sure waste a lot of time getting hurt and offended by people "you hardly know".

Exercise your options. Choose ignore and then you can only communicate with those that stroke you.

I am choosing it now, ya big ol baby!
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First of all, what are you talking about?

Second, Goodbye.
 
Last week the Obama Administration took the United States to war against Libya without bothering to notify Congress, much less obtain a constitutionally-mandated declaration of war.

In the midst of our severe economic downturn, this misadventure has already cost us hundreds of millions of dollars and we can be sure the final price tag will be several times higher.

Why did the US intervene in a civil war in a country that has neither attacked us nor poses a threat?

We are told this was another humanitarian intervention, like Clinton’s 1999 war against Serbia.

But as civilian victims of the US-led coalition bombing continue to add up, it is getting difficult to determine whether the problem we are creating on the ground is worse than the one we were trying to solve.

Though the administration seems to be playing with semantics, calling this a “kinetic military action,” let’s be clear: this is a US act of war on Libya.

Imposing a no-fly zone over the air space of a sovereign nation is an act of war, as Secretary of Defense Robert Gates pointed out before the bombing began.

That the administration hesitates to call this war, possibly due to the troubling Constitutional implications, does not mean that it is not one.

Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution could not be clearer: the power and obligation to declare war resides solely in the US Congress.

There was ample time and opportunity for the administration to consult the UN, NATO and the Arab League before going to war, but not the US Congress.

Aside from the manner in which the administration took us to war, it is also troubling that our government has taken a decisive stand for one side of an internal conflict in another sovereign country.

The administration speaks out of both sides of its mouth on this, claiming that the US is not attempting to overthrow the Gaddafi regime while clearly benefitting the rebels and stating that Gaddafi must leave.

Does this make any sense? Gaddafi may well be every bit the “bad guy” we are told he is, but who are the rebels we are assisting? Do we have any clue? Will they bring freedom and prosperity to Libya if they are victorious?

We might like to hope so, but the fact is, we don’t know. Michael Scheuer, former head of the CIA’s Bin Laden unit, explained in a recent article that there is plausible reason to believe the rebels are current or former Islamist mujahedin, eager to engage in jihad.

Indeed, Gaddafi has fought against Libyan Islamists for years and is seen by them as a bitter enemy. Astoundingly, it may well be that we are assisting al Qaeda in this new war!

The costs of this terrible mistake cannot be ignored.

Congress has been locked in battles over budget cuts and agonizing over ways to save money. Recent proposed spending cuts have by now been completely wiped out with this new war. Will we be rebuilding Libya ten years from now?

Will Congress simply roll over and rubber stamp more emergency spending bills for this new war as they have done in the past?

We must end our participation in any attack on Libya immediately and I have signed on to legislation that would do exactly that.

Congress must assert its Constitutional authority and rein in an administration clearly out of control.

Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas)

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...7-constitutional-problems-with-the-libyan-war
 
Rtber said:
Last week the Obama Administration took the United States to war against Libya without bothering to notify Congress, much less obtain a constitutionally-mandated declaration of war.

In the midst of our severe economic downturn, this misadventure has already cost us hundreds of millions of dollars and we can be sure the final price tag will be several times higher.

Why did the US intervene in a civil war in a country that has neither attacked us nor poses a threat?

We are told this was another humanitarian intervention, like Clinton’s 1999 war against Serbia.

But as civilian victims of the US-led coalition bombing continue to add up, it is getting difficult to determine whether the problem we are creating on the ground is worse than the one we were trying to solve.

Though the administration seems to be playing with semantics, calling this a “kinetic military action,” let’s be clear: this is a US act of war on Libya.

Imposing a no-fly zone over the air space of a sovereign nation is an act of war, as Secretary of Defense Robert Gates pointed out before the bombing began.

That the administration hesitates to call this war, possibly due to the troubling Constitutional implications, does not mean that it is not one.

Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution could not be clearer: the power and obligation to declare war resides solely in the US Congress.

There was ample time and opportunity for the administration to consult the UN, NATO and the Arab League before going to war, but not the US Congress.

Aside from the manner in which the administration took us to war, it is also troubling that our government has taken a decisive stand for one side of an internal conflict in another sovereign country.

The administration speaks out of both sides of its mouth on this, claiming that the US is not attempting to overthrow the Gaddafi regime while clearly benefitting the rebels and stating that Gaddafi must leave.

Does this make any sense? Gaddafi may well be every bit the “bad guy” we are told he is, but who are the rebels we are assisting? Do we have any clue? Will they bring freedom and prosperity to Libya if they are victorious?

We might like to hope so, but the fact is, we don’t know. Michael Scheuer, former head of the CIA’s Bin Laden unit, explained in a recent article that there is plausible reason to believe the rebels are current or former Islamist mujahedin, eager to engage in jihad.

Indeed, Gaddafi has fought against Libyan Islamists for years and is seen by them as a bitter enemy. Astoundingly, it may well be that we are assisting al Qaeda in this new war!

The costs of this terrible mistake cannot be ignored.

Congress has been locked in battles over budget cuts and agonizing over ways to save money. Recent proposed spending cuts have by now been completely wiped out with this new war. Will we be rebuilding Libya ten years from now?

Will Congress simply roll over and rubber stamp more emergency spending bills for this new war as they have done in the past?

We must end our participation in any attack on Libya immediately and I have signed on to legislation that would do exactly that.

Congress must assert its Constitutional authority and rein in an administration clearly out of control.

Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas)

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...7-constitutional-problems-with-the-libyan-war
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anyone remember the war powers act?

while stopping gadafi from slaughtering more libyians was a good idea, the actual point is to get rid of gadafi
 
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