Justice Dept doesn't bring cases they cant win

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floridafan

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Former FBI assistant director for counter-intelligence Frank Figliuzzi revealed that the success rate in convictions in trials brought by the Justice Department is exceedingly high and there's a reason for it – they don't bring cases they can't win.

, Figliuzzi also explained that in federal criminal cases, 90 percent of the time, a defendant pleads guilty.

"I don't mean for anyone to infer that I think Donald Trump's going to plead guilty," he told Nicolle Wallace. "Rather, I say that to emphasize the strength of a federal criminal prosecution.

"The seriousness of the charges that get brought, and the strength of the evidence when you have agencies like FBI and others pulling out all their tools in their toolkit from informants, cooperating witnesses, surveillance coverage, wiretaps, paper analysis, you name it. The federal government brings it to the table, which is why cases are so strong."

He noted that what he means by all of those details is "Jack Smith would not be bringing this case, and it looks like it's imminent, unless he had it nailed down solid with evidence. The charges will not be light or fringe-like, and the evidence will be overwhelming because that's what we see, generally speaking, in all federal cases."
 
Trump is a crappy criminal. He does things in public and defies you to stop him. So the FBI took the dare. Trump will have to plea for mercy or tell his followers to throw the country over and crown him king of America. Some will do it.
 
floridafan said:
Former FBI assistant director for counter-intelligence Frank Figliuzzi revealed that the success rate in convictions in trials brought by the Justice Department is exceedingly high and there's a reason for it – they don't bring cases they can't win.

, Figliuzzi also explained that in federal criminal cases, 90 percent of the time, a defendant pleads guilty.

"I don't mean for anyone to infer that I think Donald Trump's going to plead guilty," he told Nicolle Wallace. "Rather, I say that to emphasize the strength of a federal criminal prosecution.

"The seriousness of the charges that get brought, and the strength of the evidence when you have agencies like FBI and others pulling out all their tools in their toolkit from informants, cooperating witnesses, surveillance coverage, wiretaps, paper analysis, you name it. The federal government brings it to the table, which is why cases are so strong."

He noted that what he means by all of those details is "Jack Smith would not be bringing this case, and it looks like it's imminent, unless he had it nailed down solid with evidence. The charges will not be light or fringe-like, and the evidence will be overwhelming because that's what we see, generally speaking, in all federal cases."
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90% of the time the defendant doesn't have the means to fight the charges and plea deals out. Federal prosecutors over charge regularly then settle out for lessor charges in a plea deal while holding the original charges and threats of lots of time over the defendant's head. Plea deals always include clauses that prohibit appeals on almost any grounds making those nearly impossible to bring.

The other 10% of the time, the defendant won't deal and / or has the means to defend himself and demands a trial. When this happens, all-too-often, the fed's case collapses as discovery starts and the whole thing gets tossed before it reaches a courtroom. It's often a case of the feds being so smug with themselves thinking that they can intimidate or bully a defendant into a plea deal that they get complacent and when they get a defendant that won't play that game, they end up flummoxed, botch the evidence in discovery, and then desperately try to salvage a win by reducing the charges to nothing.
The last thing the feds want is a jury trial.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Trump will not be convicted of anything.

Wait and see.

And mark this post of mine so you can read it later.
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Hey! Mark this post!

Trump better get himself a stash of Soap-on-a-ropes while he is still a free man!

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T. A. Gardner said:
90% of the time the defendant doesn't have the means to fight the charges and plea deals out. Federal prosecutors over charge regularly then settle out for lessor charges in a plea deal while holding the original charges and threats of lots of time over the defendant's head. Plea deals always include clauses that prohibit appeals on almost any grounds making those nearly impossible to bring.

The other 10% of the time, the defendant won't deal and / or has the means to defend himself and demands a trial. When this happens, all-too-often, the fed's case collapses as discovery starts and the whole thing gets tossed before it reaches a courtroom. It's often a case of the feds being so smug with themselves thinking that they can intimidate or bully a defendant into a plea deal that they get complacent and when they get a defendant that won't play that game, they end up flummoxed, botch the evidence in discovery, and then desperately try to salvage a win by reducing the charges to nothing.
The last thing the feds want is a jury trial.
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You take a plea when you are offered a deal that has lower penalties than the jury might assign. That is why Fox settled the billion and half suit. They were sure the jury would grant more money. They escaped with 800 million.
Trump will take a deal to stay out of jail. He knows what crimes he has committed. But he may not get a deal that does that. The feds have a lock on the cases. Trump crimed in public and in front of witnesses. The Feds would be happy to have Trump face a jury. The Feds would present eyewitnesses , people involved who turned on Trump, tapes and phone calls and videos of Trump in the act and tons of evidence.
 
floridafan said:
Former FBI assistant director for counter-intelligence Frank Figliuzzi revealed that the success rate in convictions in trials brought by the Justice Department is exceedingly high and there's a reason for it – they don't bring cases they can't win.

, Figliuzzi also explained that in federal criminal cases, 90 percent of the time, a defendant pleads guilty.

"I don't mean for anyone to infer that I think Donald Trump's going to plead guilty," he told Nicolle Wallace. "Rather, I say that to emphasize the strength of a federal criminal prosecution.

"The seriousness of the charges that get brought, and the strength of the evidence when you have agencies like FBI and others pulling out all their tools in their toolkit from informants, cooperating witnesses, surveillance coverage, wiretaps, paper analysis, you name it. The federal government brings it to the table, which is why cases are so strong."

He noted that what he means by all of those details is "Jack Smith would not be bringing this case, and it looks like it's imminent, unless he had it nailed down solid with evidence. The charges will not be light or fringe-like, and the evidence will be overwhelming because that's what we see, generally speaking, in all federal cases."
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You do relize Smith has had several overturned he is not a good prosecutor
 
T. A. Gardner said:
90% of the time the defendant doesn't have the means to fight the charges and plea deals out. Federal prosecutors over charge regularly then settle out for lessor charges in a plea deal while holding the original charges and threats of lots of time over the defendant's head. Plea deals always include clauses that prohibit appeals on almost any grounds making those nearly impossible to bring.

The other 10% of the time, the defendant won't deal and / or has the means to defend himself and demands a trial. When this happens, all-too-often, the fed's case collapses as discovery starts and the whole thing gets tossed before it reaches a courtroom. It's often a case of the feds being so smug with themselves thinking that they can intimidate or bully a defendant into a plea deal that they get complacent and when they get a defendant that won't play that game, they end up flummoxed, botch the evidence in discovery, and then desperately try to salvage a win by reducing the charges to nothing.
The last thing the feds want is a jury trial.
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Some lovely made up facts there T.A.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...ederal-criminal-cases-were-acquitted-in-2022/
The Feds win 82% of the cases that go to trial.
Claiming that the reason 8% of indictments are dismissed is because of prosecutorial overreach or malfeasance is a baseless claim. For all we know the 8% could have been dismissed because the person turned state's evidence against someone else. The dismissals could also include dismissal of felonies when someone pleads guilty to a lesser crime.

When going to trial the first thing the feds want is a jury trial. Juries are more likely to convict compared to judges
Juries tend to acquit 14% of the defendants that come before them. Judges issue acquittals in at least 38% of the cases that they decide.
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https://www.arensteinlaw.com/blog/2021/02/the-growing-odds-of-a-conviction-in-federal-court/
 
floridafan said:
Former FBI assistant director for counter-intelligence Frank Figliuzzi revealed that the success rate in convictions in trials brought by the Justice Department is exceedingly high and there's a reason for it – they don't bring cases they can't win.

, Figliuzzi also explained that in federal criminal cases, 90 percent of the time, a defendant pleads guilty.

"I don't mean for anyone to infer that I think Donald Trump's going to plead guilty," he told Nicolle Wallace. "Rather, I say that to emphasize the strength of a federal criminal prosecution.

"The seriousness of the charges that get brought, and the strength of the evidence when you have agencies like FBI and others pulling out all their tools in their toolkit from informants, cooperating witnesses, surveillance coverage, wiretaps, paper analysis, you name it. The federal government brings it to the table, which is why cases are so strong."

He noted that what he means by all of those details is "Jack Smith would not be bringing this case, and it looks like it's imminent, unless he had it nailed down solid with evidence. The charges will not be light or fringe-like, and the evidence will be overwhelming because that's what we see, generally speaking, in all federal cases."
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Getting scared, huh?

Merrick Himmler is guilty of treason, interfering with a presidential election. He brought this case to corrupt the 2024 presidential election - period, He is a Nazi thug.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Getting scared, huh?

Merrick Himmler is guilty of treason, interfering with a presidential election. He brought this case to corrupt the 2024 presidential election - period, He is a Nazi thug.
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Everyone who indicts the Donald is a thug, not just the US Justice Dept, but the states of NY and GA as well. Its very special to have not done anything wrong in his lifetime, a true saint he is.
 
Nordberg said:
You take a plea when you are offered a deal that has lower penalties than the jury might assign. That is why Fox settled the billion and half suit. They were sure the jury would grant more money. They escaped with 800 million.
Trump will take a deal to stay out of jail. He knows what crimes he has committed. But he may not get a deal that does that. The feds have a lock on the cases. Trump crimed in public and in front of witnesses. The Feds would be happy to have Trump face a jury. The Feds would present eyewitnesses , people involved who turned on Trump, tapes and phone calls and videos of Trump in the act and tons of evidence.
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No, you take a plea often times to avoid bankruptcy. Many people rely on a public pretender... err, defender, who gets paid by the case so they want it over asap to get paid. They often don't have their client's best interests in mind. They will often quit a case where the defendant insists on a trial rather than a plea deal because they know they'll lose money on it.

Civil suits are a bit different. Those are ALL about costs. FOX took the deal because it was cheaper than the alternatives. It's that simple.

Trump won't deal. He has a history of grinding his opponents down. I would expect him to go to the mat, and make things as expensive as he can for the prosecution. The prosecution will be under pressure from their management and budget people to make a crappy deal and get out of the case.
The feds are even less likely to want a trial than state prosecutors. One trial that is grossly expensive, and one loss and your career as a US attorney is over and done. The prosecution won't want that in the least. I'd say prosecutors in the Trump case were pressured from politics above to even push the case. It's really a loser for them if they don't succeed.
 
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