Liberals act like they never grew up!

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Dixie - In Memoriam

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I think I stopped being liberal at 9 or 10. Whenever I came to the realization we didn't live in a perfect world, and people didn't always do the right thing. Oh, it was nice to dream of peace around the world, everyone holding hands and singing the Coca-cola song! It made me feel good to believe not littering would keep that Indian from crying. And of course.... the poor! Everyone wants to help the poor! My sister and I, once collected money around our neighborhood to "help the homeless" ...we gave the $4.86 we collected, to the bum who stayed down at the drugstore, because... well, he was the poorest person we knew. Of course, $4.86 was just enough to buy him a nice bottle of vintage Thunderbird, but he was warm for one night! But hey, it's the thought that counts, right?

Since life is about life experience, I jump ahead to my 20's... I had just began my first really well-paying job, and anticipating my first really nice paycheck... I think I knew about 'tax brackets' but this was when I actually realized what they were all about. Yeah, I made a little more, but government took a little more as well. Plus, I had all my friends and family... goin... hey, you can pay, you got the big job... So even though I was doing much better, I was doing much better.

Now it didn't bother me too much, that a third of my earnings were going to taxes, until I met David, a friend of a friend. David had discovered that "back pain" is something you can complain about, and a doctor can't dispute your claim. He also discovered, if you complain enough, they not only give you some really good drugs, but they put you on disability, and you never have to work again! So David lived in a nice house his grandmother left him, had all the best amenities of life, stayed high all day and never worked... and 1/3 of my paycheck was going to help fund it.

We jump ahead to my 30's, where I met a woman named Rhonda. A single mom of 3, who's husband died in a train mishap. She got government assistance, but she wanted to finish her accounting degree and get her CPA, so she could get a decent job, but there was no government program for that, and any 'extra income' she earned to pay for such a thing, would disqualify her from assistance. This is when I learned that welfare is a trap, and once you are caught in the trap, it is difficult to find freedom again.

My 40's have been a time of great revelation for me. Idealism has its own definition in the dictionary for a reason. All people, are individuals. They operate on their own interests, independently from society. Some are more motivated for success and fortune, others aren't so motivated. Some are motivated to be lazy and unproductive, and nothing will change that. It is only in a childlike perspective, we can envision a world any differently, as this is the reality of life. Indeed, it would be nice to think, we can give the homeless some money, and they will be able to have a home... but it's not reality.

Liberals live in this Utopian fantasy world, where every problem can be solved, if we just have a heart and tax some more --throw more money at it. The problems (which haven't been solved in the history of mankind) are not going to be solved by redistributing or confiscating wealth. People are how they are for various reasons, but most poor people are poor because they lack the motivation to be wealthy. Especially in America, a country where every freedom and opportunity is afforded and guaranteed by the constitution. People around the world, give up everything they own, to come here with nothing, and realize their dreams. And there are countless examples of people who have done exactly that. A person with the motivation to succeed, would be hard pressed to find a better place than the US.
 
That's pretty funny, Dix.

I like how you title the thread "Liberals act like they never grew up!" and then write about the childish fantasy that in America you can be whatever you want to be if you work really really hard at it. Hilarious.
 
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Dixie said:
I think I stopped being liberal at 9 or 10. Whenever I came to the realization we didn't live in a perfect world, and people didn't always do the right thing. Oh, it was nice to dream of peace around the world, everyone holding hands and singing the Coca-cola song! It made me feel good to believe not littering would keep that Indian from crying. And of course.... the poor! Everyone wants to help the poor! My sister and I, once collected money around our neighborhood to "help the homeless" ...we gave the $4.86 we collected, to the bum who stayed down at the drugstore, because... well, he was the poorest person we knew. Of course, $4.86 was just enough to buy him a nice bottle of vintage Thunderbird, but he was warm for one night! But hey, it's the thought that counts, right?

Since life is about life experience, I jump ahead to my 20's... I had just began my first really well-paying job, and anticipating my first really nice paycheck... I think I knew about 'tax brackets' but this was when I actually realized what they were all about. Yeah, I made a little more, but government took a little more as well. Plus, I had all my friends and family... goin... hey, you can pay, you got the big job... So even though I was doing much better, I was doing much better.

Now it didn't bother me too much, that a third of my earnings were going to taxes, until I met David, a friend of a friend. David had discovered that "back pain" is something you can complain about, and a doctor can't dispute your claim. He also discovered, if you complain enough, they not only give you some really good drugs, but they put you on disability, and you never have to work again! So David lived in a nice house his grandmother left him, had all the best amenities of life, stayed high all day and never worked... and 1/3 of my paycheck was going to help fund it.

We jump ahead to my 30's, where I met a woman named Rhonda. A single mom of 3, who's husband died in a train mishap. She got government assistance, but she wanted to finish her accounting degree and get her CPA, so she could get a decent job, but there was no government program for that, and any 'extra income' she earned to pay for such a thing, would disqualify her from assistance. This is when I learned that welfare is a trap, and once you are caught in the trap, it is difficult to find freedom again.

My 40's have been a time of great revelation for me. Idealism has its own definition in the dictionary for a reason. All people, are individuals. They operate on their own interests, independently from society. Some are more motivated for success and fortune, others aren't so motivated. Some are motivated to be lazy and unproductive, and nothing will change that. It is only in a childlike perspective, we can envision a world any differently, as this is the reality of life. Indeed, it would be nice to think, we can give the homeless some money, and they will be able to have a home... but it's not reality.

Liberals live in this Utopian fantasy world, where every problem can be solved, if we just have a heart and tax some more --throw more money at it. The problems (which haven't been solved in the history of mankind) are not going to be solved by redistributing or confiscating wealth. People are how they are for various reasons, but most poor people are poor because they lack the motivation to be wealthy. Especially in America, a country where every freedom and opportunity is afforded and guaranteed by the constitution. People around the world, give up everything they own, to come here with nothing, and realize their dreams. And there are countless examples of people who have done exactly that. A person with the motivation to succeed, would be hard pressed to find a better place than the US.
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Brilliance!

Great post dix!
 
Dungheap said:
That's pretty funny, Dix.

I like how you title the thread "Liberals act like they never grew up!" and then write about the childish fantasy that in America you can be whatever you want to be if you work really really hard at it. Hilarious.
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I guess you have a better example of a place afforded with the freedom and liberty to realize your dreams.... I'll be waiting for that list.

As it stands, America is about the only place I know of, where you can literally come from having nothing, to having everything. Before you scoff and say this is not possible, I have two close friends who did exactly that... came to America with NOTHING and now live very comfortably, owners of their own business, realizer's of their own dreams. So maybe the problem is, you don't personally know any of these examples, and I do?
 
The fact that Dixie knew a guy who liked drugs and workers comp and may have been a liberal does not mean that liberals, as a group, like drugs more than conservatives, or are more prone to cheating government systems than conservatives are.

The fact that Dixie knew a lady who had a hard time lifting herself out of poverty does not mean that liberals promote systems that make it hard for everyone to lift themselves out of poverty.

I do not live in any utopian fantasy world. I see the results of unbridled capitalism all time. That does not mean that I want to trash capitalism or that I want to do away with free enterprise. I only want the people who benefit the most from the capitalistic society that we have created to pay a marginal amount of the benefit that they receive to insure that we do not allow those who are trampled by that capitalistic society to perish as a result.
 
maineman said:
The fact that Dixie knew a guy who liked drugs and workers comp and may have been a liberal does not mean that liberals, as a group, like drugs more than conservatives, or are more prone to cheating government systems than conservatives are.

The fact that Dixie knew a lady who had a hard time lifting herself out of poverty does not mean that liberals promote systems that make it hard for everyone to lift themselves out of poverty.

I do not live in any utopian fantasy world. I see the results of unbridled capitalism all time. That does not mean that I want to trash capitalism or that I want to do away with free enterprise. I only want the people who benefit the most from the capitalistic society that we have created to pay a marginal amount of the benefit that they receive to insure that we do not allow those who are trampled by that capitalistic society to perish as a result.
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But nothing you can do will ever insure that all homeless people have homes, or all hungry people are fed, or all sick people are made well. You live in a liberal Utopian fantasy world, where these problems can be solved by government, and that is not reality.

The fact that I knew a guy who was smart enough to figure out how to manipulate the system and not work, is a testament to the fact the system can be manipulated very easily, and people will do it. The fact that I knew a woman who couldn't pull herself out of poverty because of the system itself, is a testament the system is flawed. Yes, liberals DO promote systems which make it more difficult for people to lift themselves out of poverty. In fact, most of your systems are designed to keep people impoverished, and dependent upon liberals and government for support.
 
maineman said:
The fact that Dixie knew a guy who liked drugs and workers comp and may have been a liberal does not mean that liberals, as a group, like drugs more than conservatives, or are more prone to cheating government systems than conservatives are.

But in reality, the youth of America, lets say 18 to 35, as a group have a higher average of drug users than older Americans....
and in truth, Afr. Amers, generally have a higher drug use problem than other minorities....both groups, in general, vote Democrat, (liberal) in higher percentages than those that vote Republican or Conservative....
Sorry, but this observation is not racist or bigotry...its just sad, hard, fact.

The fact that Dixie knew a lady who had a hard time lifting herself out of poverty does not mean that liberals promote systems that make it hard for everyone to lift themselves out of poverty.

Thats exactly what it means...liberals promote systems that make it hard for everyone to lift themselves out of poverty...thats what welfare, and the rules of welfare, does...


I do not live in any utopian fantasy world. I see the results of unbridled capitalism all time. That does not mean that I want to trash capitalism or that I want to do away with free enterprise. I only want the people who benefit the most from the capitalistic society that we have created to pay a marginal amount of the benefit that they receive to insure that we do not allow those who are trampled by that capitalistic society to perish as a result.
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I don't know about a fantasy world...you just refuse to acknowledge any idea promoted by Democrats as even remotely having a detrimental effect on society...because you're a hack...
 
Dixie said:
But nothing you can do will ever insure that all homeless people have homes, or all hungry people are fed, or all sick people are made well. You live in a liberal Utopian fantasy world, where these problems can be solved by government, and that is not reality.

The fact that I knew a guy who was smart enough to figure out how to manipulate the system and not work, is a testament to the fact the system can be manipulated very easily, and people will do it. The fact that I knew a woman who couldn't pull herself out of poverty because of the system itself, is a testament the system is flawed. Yes, liberals DO promote systems which make it more difficult for people to lift themselves out of poverty. In fact, most of your systems are designed to keep people impoverished, and dependent upon liberals and government for support.
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no one ever said that the system was perfect...no one ever said that the system could guarantee that everyone who needed help would get it or that that no one could get help they did not need. The fact that the system does not help everyone it should or the fact that it allows some percentage of people who do not legitimately need help to milk the system does not mean that the entire system should be thrown out and the free market and less-than-compassionate conversatism and unbridled capitalism be allowed to trample anyone who cannot keep up.
 
Dixie you white trailer trash tool. You don't make enough to have yours redistributed. Your getting a tax cut just like the rest of your bowling team.
 
maineman said:
no one ever said that the system was perfect...no one ever said that the system could guarantee that everyone who needed help would get it or that that no one could get help they did not need. The fact that the system does not help everyone it should or the fact that it allows some percentage of people who do not legitimately need help to milk the system does not mean that the entire system should be thrown out and the free market and less-than-compassionate conversatism and unbridled capitalism be allowed to trample anyone who cannot keep up.
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The point is, your system doesn't work. Liberalism fails because it doesn't factor individual human behavior. It presumes people are poor because they haven't had opportunity. It presumes people get sick or well based on whether they have insurance coverage. Most importantly, it presumes we can fund an endless barrage of liberal 'feel-good' initiatives with more taxes.

The fact that the system doesn't work, means it should be chunked! The fact that capitalist free-market solutions always work, means the system should reflect those principles instead. You invoke words like "trample" to convey a sense of desperation, we must take action to prevent unbridled capitalism from trampling the little guy... but how exactly did capitalism trample the people I gave in my examples above? How does unbridled capitalism prevent anyone, for that matter. from being successful?

These people you say "can't keep up" ...do they want to keep up? You know this how? Once again, Liberal Utopianism leads you to think, people who have less in life, are like that because they didn't get enough breaks or have enough opportunity... but we all have equal opportunity in this country, it's the beautiful thing about it!
 
uscitizen said:
"The fact that capitalist free-market solutions always work,"

Been smoking herbal stuff this evening Dix?
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Nope.

The capitalist free market solutions do always work, every time they are tried, as a matter of fact. Look at examples where government held pretty much the monopoly, like delivery of mail and parcels. Once was a time, it took weeks to mail a package across the country, and it was very expensive. Introduce FedEx and UPS, and suddenly, we find it possible to not only mail something across the nation in a day, but do it at a very reasonable cost. Now, how did we discover this? Through pure unbridled capitalism! Did government provide the solution? Nope, government WAS the problem!

We have the same kind of problem with public education today, it is government which prohibits our schools from ever performing any better. Until we introduce pure unbridled capitalism from the private sector, and foster an atmosphere of capitalistic competition to meet the demands, we will continue to see our education system fail.
 
Dixie said:
I guess you have a better example of a place afforded with the freedom and liberty to realize your dreams.... I'll be waiting for that list.

As it stands, America is about the only place I know of, where you can literally come from having nothing, to having everything. Before you scoff and say this is not possible, I have two close friends who did exactly that... came to America with NOTHING and now live very comfortably, owners of their own business, realizer's of their own dreams. So maybe the problem is, you don't personally know any of these examples, and I do?
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You are partly right.
America IS the only place you know of. You made that clear on another thread. On the evidence you have presented thus far I would judge you to be parochial, mis educated, chauvinist and almost totally ignorant of what happens beyond your shores. Now maybe I am wrong... If I am, you sure put on a great act.
 
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