DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
You need to get with your liberal leaders then, because they want to spend money on public projects like the sidewalks and ornate public buildings. They claim that it boosts the economy. Don't you agree with them?
Liberals Cause $7.5 million damage to Capitol Building
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You need to get with your liberal leaders then, because they want to spend money on public projects like the sidewalks and ornate public buildings. They claim that it boosts the economy. Don't you agree with them?
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
does that include the cost of bennies?....
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
it creates a pleasant atmosphere for demonstrations....
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
When you hear the rumor that the buses have been paid for by the party... This becomes a rather interesting story.
There is the fact that medical doctors colluded to write phony medical excuses; that a large majority of protesters were not even from Wisconsin; the portrayal on signs of Nazism et al and yet the media is SILENT...the hypocrisy is more than just disgusting-it's illuminative of media corruption.
Cancel 2016.2
The Almighty
"They" sure are nefarious. By your accounting it seems like every day "they" do some truly horrible shit.
Why don't you point out the actual astroturfing, providing sources for your assertions, and then maybe we can discuss it?
"They" are Desh and others on this board along with a ton of pundits.
I use "they" because naming each individually would be bothersome. It's silly to attempt to address colloquialisms as inaccurate.
christiefan915
Catalyst
These buses also, or just liberal buses?
"A four-day Wisconsin bus tour to support Republican Gov. Scott Walker concluded Sunday with a Madison rally where final speaker Brian Schimming, a veteran Republican consultant, exhorted crowd members to return to their communities "and get loud now."
The rally, held in Exhibition Hall at the Alliant Energy Center, drew about 600 people, said Matt Seaholm, state director for the sponsoring group, Americans for Prosperity. The turnout was the largest on the 10-city tour, he said.
Americans for Prosperity is a Virginia-based group launched in 2004 with money from David and Charles Koch, the billionaire brothers whose financial support of Walker's gubernatorial campaign and alleged close ties to him have become part of the protest narrative.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker says out-of-staters account for “almost all” in Madison protests
False
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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker got right to the point when he was chatting Feb. 22, 2011, with a prank caller pretending to be a major Republican power-broker: The protests in Madison are dying down.
And changing to mostly out-of-state residents.
In the secretly-recorded call, Walker assured a New York blogger posing as industrialist David Koch -- a contributor to Walker’s campaign and many GOP causes -- that things were under control at the Capitol.
"Well, we’re actually hanging pretty tough," Walker said in the call, which was taped and made public Feb. 23, 2011. "I mean, you know, amazingly there’s a much smaller group of protesters almost all of whom are in from other states today."
We know Wisconsin is awful popular these days. And the battle over the budget-repair bill is national news. But are "almost all" of the protesters in from other states?
We asked Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie about the not-intended-for-the-world-to-hear statement from his boss.
He sent us two links to news stories from over the weekend -- one from the Weekly Standard, a conservative magazine, and another from the Decatur, Ill., newspaper.
Here’s what the Feb. 21, 2011, blog post in the Weekly Standard said: "Labor groups and Democratic Party organizations from outside the state have been sending people to Madison for the demonstrations."
It went on to note an e-mail from the Chicago Teachers Union, which said it was sending a bus Feb. 21, 2011, to Madison. The union’s twitter feed posted a message the evening of Feb. 19, 2011, saying: "CTU Supports Wisconsin Workers. Get on the bus Monday."
Meanwhile, the Decatur paper reported Feb. 22, 2011 -- the day Walker made his comment during the non-Koch call -- that Illinois union leaders were sending protesters to Wisconsin.
"A number of Illinoisans have headed to Madison in recent days to join the battle over Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's effort to end collective bargaining for public employee unions," the paper reported.
"The Illinois Education Association, the state's largest teacher union, reports it has sent 14 staff members to Wisconsin to help organize members in their fight," the story said. It went on to say another union -- Council 31 of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees -- "has a number of staff members on the ground" and was sending a two bus loads on Feb. 22, 2011 and one on Feb. 23, 2011.
OK, fair enough. That’s a few bus loads accounted for -- albeit not all on the day of Walker’s phone conversation. And, of course, there surely were other out-of-state protesters that day.
But "almost all"?
The crowds in Madison did drop on the day of the call. After several days of school district closings around the state due to teachers calling in sick to attend protests, the vast majority of teachers were back in the classroom. Milwaukee and Madison school districts reopened.
We did a little more investigating to learn: Who are these protesters?
Of course there’s no one checking ID cards, and no way to come up with a definitive percentage, but there are ways to gauge the makeup of such crowds.
The Journal Sentinel has had reporters and photographers on the scene day and night since the protest began. We looked at dozens of pictures from protests Monday night and Tuesday, taken by Journal Sentinel photographers (You can see some of these pictures here.)
We saw many signs and clothing that suggest Wisconsin protesters -- Badgers and Packers attire, a sign mentioning Janesville, signs mentioning the Madison teachers union and so forth. One man wore a T-shirt from the Shoe Box, a Madison-area store.
However, that man, Thomas Brown, is from New Mexico. He came back to visit family near Madison. We won’t count him as an out-of-state agitator.
We did see signs such as "Michigan Supports WI workers," and one that read "Coast to Coast Solidarity" that mentioned California and New York. On Feb. 23, 2011, when Teamsters President Jim Hoffa spoke, signs for Chicago Sheet Metal Workers were evident and there were Teamsters from other states present, according to news reports and Madison police.
We sent a Patrick Tricker, a reporter for the UW-Madison The Daily Cardinal, through the crowd the afternoon of Feb. 23, 2011. It was day two of the state Assembly’s marathon vote on Walker’s measure, which involved hundreds of Democratic amendments.
In an informal survey, Tricker spoke directly to 26 protesters in the Capitol rotunda. About a fourth of the 26 were from out of state, half from Madison and the remainder were from other parts of Wisconsin. He found one from California and one from Alaska.
That’s nowhere near "almost all."
Finally, we asked law enforcement for their take.
"The vast majority of people protesting are from here -- Wisconsin and even more from Dane County," said Joel DeSpain, public information officer for the Madison Police Department.
How would DeSpain know?
"I grew up here," said DeSpain, who attended the University of Wisconsin-Madison and worked 25 years as a television journalist in that city before taking the job with the cops. "I know Madison, this is my town,"
DeSpain said he has seen friends, family members, people he has known for more than 30 years attending protests. The crowds on Feb. 22, 2011 -- the day of the Walker phone call -- included hundreds of state corrections officers and Madison police officers, he said.
Said DeSpain: "Unless somebody’s giving them all sorts of t-shirts from Wisconsin" these are local protesters.
Let’s bring this item home.
In his not-so-private phone call, Walker claimed protests were getting smaller and almost all of the protesters at the state Capitol were there from out of state. Certainly there are folks there from far and wide. But there’s no evidence the out-of-towners have taken over. All evidence points to this being -- and remaining -- a home grown effort.
We rate Walker’s statement False.
http://politifact.com/wisconsin/sta...sin-gov-scott-walker-says-out-staters-accoun/
False
Share this story:
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker got right to the point when he was chatting Feb. 22, 2011, with a prank caller pretending to be a major Republican power-broker: The protests in Madison are dying down.
And changing to mostly out-of-state residents.
In the secretly-recorded call, Walker assured a New York blogger posing as industrialist David Koch -- a contributor to Walker’s campaign and many GOP causes -- that things were under control at the Capitol.
"Well, we’re actually hanging pretty tough," Walker said in the call, which was taped and made public Feb. 23, 2011. "I mean, you know, amazingly there’s a much smaller group of protesters almost all of whom are in from other states today."
We know Wisconsin is awful popular these days. And the battle over the budget-repair bill is national news. But are "almost all" of the protesters in from other states?
We asked Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie about the not-intended-for-the-world-to-hear statement from his boss.
He sent us two links to news stories from over the weekend -- one from the Weekly Standard, a conservative magazine, and another from the Decatur, Ill., newspaper.
Here’s what the Feb. 21, 2011, blog post in the Weekly Standard said: "Labor groups and Democratic Party organizations from outside the state have been sending people to Madison for the demonstrations."
It went on to note an e-mail from the Chicago Teachers Union, which said it was sending a bus Feb. 21, 2011, to Madison. The union’s twitter feed posted a message the evening of Feb. 19, 2011, saying: "CTU Supports Wisconsin Workers. Get on the bus Monday."
Meanwhile, the Decatur paper reported Feb. 22, 2011 -- the day Walker made his comment during the non-Koch call -- that Illinois union leaders were sending protesters to Wisconsin.
"A number of Illinoisans have headed to Madison in recent days to join the battle over Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's effort to end collective bargaining for public employee unions," the paper reported.
"The Illinois Education Association, the state's largest teacher union, reports it has sent 14 staff members to Wisconsin to help organize members in their fight," the story said. It went on to say another union -- Council 31 of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees -- "has a number of staff members on the ground" and was sending a two bus loads on Feb. 22, 2011 and one on Feb. 23, 2011.
OK, fair enough. That’s a few bus loads accounted for -- albeit not all on the day of Walker’s phone conversation. And, of course, there surely were other out-of-state protesters that day.
But "almost all"?
The crowds in Madison did drop on the day of the call. After several days of school district closings around the state due to teachers calling in sick to attend protests, the vast majority of teachers were back in the classroom. Milwaukee and Madison school districts reopened.
We did a little more investigating to learn: Who are these protesters?
Of course there’s no one checking ID cards, and no way to come up with a definitive percentage, but there are ways to gauge the makeup of such crowds.
The Journal Sentinel has had reporters and photographers on the scene day and night since the protest began. We looked at dozens of pictures from protests Monday night and Tuesday, taken by Journal Sentinel photographers (You can see some of these pictures here.)
We saw many signs and clothing that suggest Wisconsin protesters -- Badgers and Packers attire, a sign mentioning Janesville, signs mentioning the Madison teachers union and so forth. One man wore a T-shirt from the Shoe Box, a Madison-area store.
However, that man, Thomas Brown, is from New Mexico. He came back to visit family near Madison. We won’t count him as an out-of-state agitator.
We did see signs such as "Michigan Supports WI workers," and one that read "Coast to Coast Solidarity" that mentioned California and New York. On Feb. 23, 2011, when Teamsters President Jim Hoffa spoke, signs for Chicago Sheet Metal Workers were evident and there were Teamsters from other states present, according to news reports and Madison police.
We sent a Patrick Tricker, a reporter for the UW-Madison The Daily Cardinal, through the crowd the afternoon of Feb. 23, 2011. It was day two of the state Assembly’s marathon vote on Walker’s measure, which involved hundreds of Democratic amendments.
In an informal survey, Tricker spoke directly to 26 protesters in the Capitol rotunda. About a fourth of the 26 were from out of state, half from Madison and the remainder were from other parts of Wisconsin. He found one from California and one from Alaska.
That’s nowhere near "almost all."
Finally, we asked law enforcement for their take.
"The vast majority of people protesting are from here -- Wisconsin and even more from Dane County," said Joel DeSpain, public information officer for the Madison Police Department.
How would DeSpain know?
"I grew up here," said DeSpain, who attended the University of Wisconsin-Madison and worked 25 years as a television journalist in that city before taking the job with the cops. "I know Madison, this is my town,"
DeSpain said he has seen friends, family members, people he has known for more than 30 years attending protests. The crowds on Feb. 22, 2011 -- the day of the Walker phone call -- included hundreds of state corrections officers and Madison police officers, he said.
Said DeSpain: "Unless somebody’s giving them all sorts of t-shirts from Wisconsin" these are local protesters.
Let’s bring this item home.
In his not-so-private phone call, Walker claimed protests were getting smaller and almost all of the protesters at the state Capitol were there from out of state. Certainly there are folks there from far and wide. But there’s no evidence the out-of-towners have taken over. All evidence points to this being -- and remaining -- a home grown effort.
We rate Walker’s statement False.
http://politifact.com/wisconsin/sta...sin-gov-scott-walker-says-out-staters-accoun/
This stuff all happened after the protests were well underway. OfA may have jumped on the band-wagon after it started, but it didn't gin up the protests. In short, it ain't astroturfing.
Right. I suppose you can use whatever reasoning you want to justify what you want to believe.
So, a planned tour of 10 cities is the same thing as directly funding signs and buses for a protest? Again, I suppose you can use whatever pretentious reasoning you want to believe whatever you want to believe.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Huh?
MADISON- Americans for Prosperity today announced the launch of its “Stand Against Spending. Stand With Walker.” bus tour across Wisconsin, March 3-6, to stand against out-of-control state spending by showing continued support for Governor Walker’s commonsense reform to tackle the state’s nearly $4 billion deficit.
“While union protestors continue to rally on the taxpayer’s dime and opposing groups attempt to stifle public debate, Americans for Prosperity will not be intimidated,” said Americans for Prosperity President Tim Phillips. “We will continue to take a firm stand against wasteful government spending and support responsible economic policies like Governor Walker’s.”
The tour will start in Kenosha on Thursday, March 3 and end in Madison on Sunday, March 6, traveling to 10 Wisconsin cities. A complete schedule of events is below.
Read more: http://www.americansforprosperity.o...-against-spending-stand-walker”#ixzz1FxXjFbG3
*sigh*
Again, openly promoting a tour isn't the same thing as secretly providing the signs and transportation. One is astroturfing (attempting to appear "grassroots" while being funded and directed by party organizations), the other is promoting a fricking tour and telling you who is promoting it, that isn't "pretending" anything it is directly honest.
You can use whatever kook-aid you want to cover up the bad taste, but it's still going to be there.
126178 CITIZENS ARE STANDING WITH SCOTT WALKER, ahahahahahaha, you guys better sign the petition and get the numbers bigger!
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/18/business-teaparty-wisconsin/
Koch brothers have been busing in pro Walker people since this started, way back in February, and the bus tour that ends in Madison is just the latest busing that will happen, but it was happening before you claim, so I guess it is both sides who are padding the protesters.
I wish the news would show all of the anti Walker signs around Wisconsin and all the pro union support! Even in farmland, they support their union labor!